Unknown mass being pushed up ramp until it hits spring

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The problem involves a block of mass m being pushed up a frictionless incline at a constant speed until it contacts a spring. The spring has a known spring constant, and the block compresses the spring before coming to rest. Participants are tasked with determining the mass of the block and the direction of the net force when the block is at rest and fully compressed.

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  • Participants discuss the application of energy conservation principles, questioning the role of potential energy on an incline. There is exploration of the relationship between kinetic energy, potential energy, and spring energy.

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Some participants have offered insights into the energy transformations occurring as the block moves and compresses the spring. There is ongoing exploration of the equations involved and the implications of the incline's angle on the potential energy calculations.

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Participants note the absence of specific height and length measurements, leading to assumptions about initial conditions. The discussion includes varying interpretations of the net force direction when the block is at rest.

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Homework Statement



A force F pushes a block of mass m up a frictionless incline as shown below. The block moves
at a constant speed of 6.00 m/s until it contacts the relaxed spring which has a spring constant k =
200 N/m. At the point where the block touches the spring, the force is removed. The spring is then compressed by 0.60 meters until the block comes to rest.
What is the mass of the object in kg?
It is at an angle of 40 degrees. g=9.8 m/s2
The height and length are not given but I'm assuming Hi=0

Also in what direction would the net force be on the block when the block is at rest and fully compressed?

Homework Equations


Us=1/2kx2 (1)
Ki+Usi=Kf+Usf (2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I inserted the values into equation 2 and got 2 kg but I don't think it's right since on an incline, there must be potential energy involved.
 
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maxpower612 said:

Homework Statement



A force F pushes a block of mass m up a frictionless incline as shown below. The block moves
at a constant speed of 6.00 m/s until it contacts the relaxed spring which has a spring constant k =
200 N/m. At the point where the block touches the spring, the force is removed. The spring is then compressed by 0.60 meters until the block comes to rest.
What is the mass of the object in kg?
It is at an angle of 40 degrees. g=9.8 m/s2
The height and length are not given but I'm assuming Hi=0

Also in what direction would the net force be on the block when the block is at rest and fully compressed?

Homework Equations


Us=1/2kx2 (1)
Ki+Usi=Kf+Usf (2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I inserted the values into equation 2 and got 2 kg but I don't think it's right since on an incline, there must be potential energy involved.

Homework Statement


Homework Equations


The Attempt at a Solution


The last question is really easy.

In what direction will the mass move?

It it is about to bury itself vertically into the surface, then the net force is down.
If it is about to spring vertically up, then the net force is up.
If it is about to fly off the slope horizontally, then the net force is horizontal.
If it is about to move down the slope, then the net force is down the slope, parallel to the slope.
And if it is going to stay where it is - then the net force is zero.
 
maxpower612 said:

Homework Statement



A force F pushes a block of mass m up a frictionless incline as shown below. The block moves
at a constant speed of 6.00 m/s until it contacts the relaxed spring which has a spring constant k =
200 N/m. At the point where the block touches the spring, the force is removed. The spring is then compressed by 0.60 meters until the block comes to rest.
What is the mass of the object in kg?
It is at an angle of 40 degrees. g=9.8 m/s2
The height and length are not given but I'm assuming Hi=0

Also in what direction would the net force be on the block when the block is at rest and fully compressed?

Homework Equations


Us=1/2kx2 (1)
Ki+Usi=Kf+Usf (2)


The Attempt at a Solution



I inserted the values into equation 2 and got 2 kg but I don't think it's right since on an incline, there must be potential energy involved.

In red above ... True.

Overview:

When the mass reaches the spring, force F ceases, so we don't have to worry about that.

The mass was moving, so had kinetic energy.

When it finally stops, it will be at a higher elevation - so has gained some PE, and has compressed the spring and stored some energy in there [another gain].
The two gains must total the loss of Kinetic energy as it stops..
 
PeterO said:
The last question is really easy.

In what direction will the mass move?

It it is about to bury itself vertically into the surface, then the net force is down.
If it is about to spring vertically up, then the net force is up.
If it is about to fly off the slope horizontally, then the net force is horizontal.
If it is about to move down the slope, then the net force is down the slope, parallel to the slope.
And if it is going to stay where it is - then the net force is zero.
I wasn't sure in what direction the net force was since the object was at rest, but the net force moving parallel to the slope seems the most logical answer. Thanks for your reply!
 
PeterO said:
In red above ... True.

Overview:

When the mass reaches the spring, force F ceases, so we don't have to worry about that.

The mass was moving, so had kinetic energy.

When it finally stops, it will be at a higher elevation - so has gained some PE, and has compressed the spring and stored some energy in there [another gain].
The two gains must total the loss of Kinetic energy as it stops..
So would the equation be 1/2mvi^2+0+0=0+mgHf+1/2kx^2? if so how would I find the final height in order to get the mass?
 
maxpower612 said:
So would the equation be 1/2mvi^2+0+0=0+mgHf+1/2kx^2? if so how would I find the final height in order to get the mass?

The height is a component of x.
 
PeterO said:
The height is a component of x.
I took your advice (assuming I did it right) and found the height to be (0.6m)sin40= .386m and plugged into back into the previous equation by getting the mass approximately equal to 2.53 kg. I hope that's right lol
 

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