Unraveling the Michelson-Moorley Experiment

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The discussion revolves around the Michelson-Morley experiment, which aimed to detect the presence of aether and its implications for the theory of relativity. Participants explore the experimental setup, the expected outcomes regarding light beam interference, and the effects of Earth's motion on the experiment's results.

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  • One participant describes the experiment's intention to show that the speed of light would differ based on alignment with the aether, but the interference pattern remained unchanged, suggesting aether does not exist.
  • Another participant calculates that if the horizontal arm is aligned with Earth's path, the mirror's movement would affect the length of the light path, but they argue that this effect cancels out when the beam returns.
  • A different participant challenges the previous claim, suggesting that the perpendicular beam does not simply travel out-and-back but follows a triangular path due to the motion of the apparatus, which complicates the expected synchronization of the beams.
  • One participant acknowledges the oversight regarding the vertical beam's path length difference due to Earth's motion and references a video that discusses the expected fringe shift, which was not observed.

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Participants express differing interpretations of the effects of Earth's motion on the light paths and the implications for the experiment's outcomes. There is no consensus on the correct understanding of the path length differences and their impact on the interference pattern.

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Participants mention various assumptions about the motion of the apparatus and the nature of light paths, but these assumptions remain unresolved and may affect the interpretations presented.

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The Michelson Moorley experiment to detect the presence of aether is the main experiment
that gave rise to the theory of relativity. I've been trying to understand this experiment.

The idea of the experiment was to split a beam of light and then align one the split beams with the aether and show that this would speed up one beam compared with the other but the interference pattern of the re-combined beams did not change, hence the aether was proved not to exist.

I think this then left the unexpected result that when one of the split beams was aligned
with say the path of the Earth round the sun this should alter the distance traveled by one beam compared with the other and therefore the alignment of the wavelengths and so effect the interference pattern but it did'nt.

The experimental layout I have been looking at is on this webpage:-
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module3_M&M.htm

In trying to understand the experiment I came up with the following. If the horizontal arm is inline with say the path of the Earth round the sun then the mirror on this arm will be traveling at around 1 x 10^4 m/s and when a photon leaves the beam splitter it will be traveling at 3 x 10^8 m/s. Hence if the mirror it bounces back off is 1m away from the splitter, in the time it takes the photon to travel 1m, 3 x 10^-8 s, the mirror will have moved 1 x 10^4 x 3 x 10^-8 = 3 x 10^-4 m or about 1000 wavelengths of visible light. So the horizontal beam will be traveling a different length compared with the vertical beam. However when the horizontal beam starts to travel back the splitter will travel the same distance towards it and hence cancel the effect out so I would expect the two beams to be back in synch!

There are other things to consider such as the alignment of the beams with the rotation of the Earth on its axis. The experiment always produces the same result - no change in the fringe pattern but its confusing that the setup in the simplified way I looked at it does not appear to setup the two beams to be on different length paths.

Have I mis-interpreted this experiment or does anyone have a qualitative explaintation of why this setup does alter the path lengths and hence why it was expected to produce a change in the fringe pattern?
 
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Paul77 said:
If the horizontal arm is inline with say the path of the Earth round the sun then the mirror on this arm will be traveling at around 1 x 10^4 m/s and when a photon leaves the beam splitter it will be traveling at 3 x 10^8 m/s. Hence if the mirror it bounces back off is 1m away from the splitter, in the time it takes the photon to travel 1m, 3 x 10^-8 s, the mirror will have moved 1 x 10^4 x 3 x 10^-8 = 3 x 10^-4 m or about 1000 wavelengths of visible light. So the horizontal beam will be traveling a different length compared with the vertical beam. However when the horizontal beam starts to travel back the splitter will travel the same distance towards it and hence cancel the effect out so I would expect the two beams to be back in synch!
Don't forget that the vertical beam travels a distance that is greater than the length of the vertical arm.
 
Paul77 said:
So the horizontal beam will be traveling a different length compared with the vertical beam. However when the horizontal beam starts to travel back the splitter will travel the same distance towards it and hence cancel the effect out so I would expect the two beams to be back in synch!
I'm not sure that's quite correct. I make the total path length on the "parallel to motion" 2l\frac{c^2}{c^2-v^2} with v being the velocity of the apparatus with respect to the aether. Also, as DaleSpam noted, the "perpendicular to motion" beam is not traveling out-and-back. It needs to follow a triangular path to "keep up" with the moving apparatus.

This was literally a back-of-the-envelope calculation. It's possible I've messed something up - show your working if you disagree, and we'll see.
 
Thanks I forgot about the effect of the motion of the Earth on the vertical path and hence there is a path length difference for the vertical compared with the horizontal. I found this video on youtube which calculates the time difference between the two paths and expected fringe shift - which is not seen hence no aether and the result that relative motion has no effect on the re-combining light paths.

 
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