Unraveling the Mystery of "Floating Rule" in an Experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around an experiment involving the measurement of weight when mixing sugar and water, specifically addressing an unexpected result where the combined weight was less than anticipated. Participants explore potential explanations for this phenomenon, including measurement errors and equipment limitations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes an experiment where adding equal weights of sugar and water resulted in a total weight less than expected, prompting a request for explanations.
  • Another participant suggests that the discrepancy might be due to measurement error and proposes an alternative method of testing using a zip lock bag to isolate the sugar from dissolving.
  • A different participant shares their own measurements, indicating that their results align with expected values, suggesting potential issues with the original method or equipment.
  • The original poster later identifies that the scale used had a weight limit, which may have caused the erroneous readings, and confirms that using a different scale yielded correct results.
  • Several participants express appreciation for the original poster's persistence in resolving the issue and highlight the educational value of the experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the issue was likely related to measurement error or equipment limitations, but there is no consensus on the initial cause of the discrepancy until the original poster identifies the scale's weight limit.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential for measurement inaccuracies and the dependence on the calibration and range of the scales used. The discussion does not resolve all uncertainties regarding the initial observations.

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Individuals interested in experimental physics, measurement techniques, or educational methods in science may find this discussion relevant.

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Today I was leading my students in an experiment that would reveal "the rule for what floats." We had previously floated (or sank) various objects in regular, room temperature tap water. I then weighed out 100 grams each of sugar and water, mixed them together and weighed them again. To my surprise, instead of having 200 grams of sugar water solution, I had 125 grams.

At first I thought we had not tared our scale properly, so I poured the mixture into a newly tared beaker. We still came up 75 grams short. We then weighed out another 100 grams each of sugar and water. This time I tared the beaker containing the water back to 0.0 grams and then poured the newly weighed 100 grams of sugar directly into the water as it was on the scale. It only increased the weight by 25 grams.

Then I thought there was something wrong with how the scale tared the beaker and weighed the beaker separately. It weighed about 115 grams, so this could not account for the loss.

Given that you cannot destroy matter, can someone help me understand why adding the water to the sugar in equal weight resulted in a mixture that weighed less than 200 grams?? I'm flummoxed and I can't seem to find an explanation on the internet. I promised my students I would try to figure out why this happened.
 
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Given that you cannot destroy matter, can someone help me understand why adding the water to the sugar in equal weight resulted in a mixture that weighed less than 200 grams??
It's got to be some sort of measurement error. Try this: put the sugar in a zip lock bag and dunk it in the water and see if the same issue arises. (That would eliminate issues with dissolving.)
 
I've just tried myself and within the accuracy of my kitchen force meter (2g) the results add up.
As Doc says, has to be faulty method or equipment.
Perhaps you could record actual readings for us to look at? Like
Empty sugar container = 20g
S.Container & sugar = 119g
Empty water container = 75g
W.Container and water = 177g
W.Container and water and sugar = 276g or whatever it came out to.

Have you tried a different force meter or have you tried calibrating the one you are using?
 
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I FINALLY figured it out! The OHaus scale I was using had a 200 gram limit and when I tared the 115 gram beaker back down to 0 grams, I exceeded the limits of the scale! I used a 5000 gram scale, and it added up to 200 g. Phew! I was SO perplexed. I was even asking my science colleagues how this could possibly be. It was such a reproducible result. No one could answer, but I thought I'd try another scale, and when it worked, it finally dawned on me what the problem was. My students will have a good laugh over this! Great lesson! So much for having a Ph.D.!
 
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By the way, thanks so much for your thoughts. Much appreciated!
 
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Finally! Exactly! You knew something was wrong and kept going until you sorted it out. 10/10
 
Good work! :thumbup:
 
I think your students learned something more important than the planned lesson! Now you just need to convince them that was the plan all along. ;)

Hah, easy to say in hindsight, but always check your instruments over the full range you expect to measure.
 

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