Unravelling Hodge Duality: A Starter Guide

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The discussion revolves around Hodge duality, particularly its basic form and its application in the context of exterior forms and their duals on manifolds. Participants explore the properties of the Hodge star operator and its implications in various dimensions, including its relation to physical concepts such as electric and magnetic fields in Minkowski space.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding Hodge duality and its relation to the Faraday 2-form example, questioning how the star operator functions in this context.
  • Another participant suggests that the Hodge star operator represents a "perpendicular" relationship to the original forms, discussing the inner and outer product properties in Minkowski space.
  • Questions arise regarding the nature of the outer product in Minkowski space, specifically whether it equals 1 and the implications for the relationship between electric and magnetic fields as Hodge duals.
  • Clarifications are provided about the metric properties in Minkowski space, including the signs associated with the inner products of the basis vectors.
  • A participant provides a visualization of forms in three and four dimensions, explaining how the Hodge dual relates to these geometric interpretations.
  • Several participants inquire about additional resources and links to other parts of the lecture series related to Hodge duality.

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Participants exhibit a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the concepts of Hodge duality and its applications. While some points are clarified, there remains uncertainty about specific mathematical properties and the implications of the Hodge dual in physical contexts. No consensus is reached on all aspects discussed.

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Participants reference specific properties of the Hodge star operator and its geometric interpretations, but there are unresolved questions regarding the definitions and assumptions underlying these discussions. The mathematical steps and relationships presented are not fully resolved.

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This discussion may be useful for students and researchers interested in differential geometry, theoretical physics, and the mathematical foundations of Hodge duality, particularly in the context of electromagnetism and manifold theory.

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I'm having problems understanding Hodge duality in its most basic form. It relates exterior p forms to exterior n-p forms where n is the dimensionality of the manifold. I can't seem to follow the discussion on the hodge dual operator on this lecture course (page 19):

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/about/members/dgnotes3.pdf

How does the star operator bring about all the Faraday 2-form example?

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
 
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the * is "perpendicular" to the original

Gianni2k said:
I'm having problems understanding Hodge duality in its most basic form. It relates exterior p forms to exterior n-p forms where n is the dimensionality of the manifold.

How does the star operator bring about all the Faraday 2-form example?

Hi Gianni2k! :smile:

The defining property is that inner product with the * (an ordinary scalar) is ± the same as outer product with the original:

For example, in Minkowski (+,-,-,-) space, the outer product x^y^z^t = 1, so (*x,y^z^t) = ±1, so *x must be ±y^z^t.

(by comparison, x^x^z^t = 0, so (*x,x^z^t) = (y^z^t,x^z^t) = 0)

and similarly outer product x^y^z^t = 1, so (*(x^y),z^t) = ±1, so *(x^y) must be ±z^t.

It's always the "perpendicular" component:

If we think of a p-form as spanning a p-dimensional subspace (yes, I know we shouldn't!), then its * spans the perpendicular, or complementary, subspace.

*x "is" the three dimensions perpendicular to x, and must therefore be ±y^z^t (± according to the metric).

and *(x^y) must be ±z^t.

So in Faraday, Ex is the x^t component, and so its * is ± the y^z component, which is Bx.

It's this equality between inner product with * and outer product with the original that forces the * to "be" the perpendicular element.

Does that help? :smile:
 
ok great, so why is the outer product on minkowski x^y^z^t=1? And is (x,x) always =1 ?

Also, so in this formalism is the magnetic field the Hodge dual to the electric field in Minkowski space?

thanks.
 
Hi Gianni2k! :smile:
Gianni2k said:
ok great, so why is the outer product on minkowski x^y^z^t=1? And is (x,x) always =1 ?

With the usual (+.-.-.-) metric, (t,t) = 1 and (x,x) = -1.

And the product of all four of x y z and t is ±1, depending on the order they're in (maybe it's x^y^z^t=-1, I haven't checked :redface:)
Also, so in this formalism is the magnetic field the Hodge dual to the electric field in Minkowski space?

Yes (times -1):

*E = -B, *B = E, **E = -E, **B = - B. :smile:
 
Gianni, thanks for the link to good lectures.

By the way, these lectures are referred to as Part III. Do you also have links to other parts?
 
In three dimensions forms can be visualized like this:
  • A 1-form is a set of equally spaced planes.
  • A 2-form is a set of equally spaced lines.
  • A 3-form is a set of equally spaced points.
The Hodge dual of a 2-form is then a set of planes perpendicular to the 2-form lines. The spacing between the planes is such that the intersection points between the planes and lines are a lattice with one point per unit volume.

In four dimensions it gets slightly more complicated:
  • A 1-form is a set of equally spaced 3-dimensional linear spaces.
  • A 2-form is one or two sets of equally spaced planes.
  • A 3-form is a set of equally spaced lines.
  • A 4-form is a set of equally spaced points.
The Hodge dual of a simple (i.e. it is only one set of planes) 2-form is another set of planes, perpendicular to the first set and spaced such that the intersection points are a lattice with one point per unit 4-volume.

(Ah, and yes, all lines, planes, etc should have an orientation as well...)

Demystifier said:
By the way, these lectures are referred to as Part III. Do you also have links to other parts?
Part II is found a http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/gr/about/members/gwglectures.html"
 
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Demystifier said:
By the way, these lectures are referred to as Part III. Do you also have links to other parts?
Part III is the other name for Cambridge's "http://www.maths.cam.ac.uk/postgrad/casm/": their masters course. Thus, these notes are not the third part of a lecture series, but is a complete course taught during the CASM (or Part III).
 

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