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The discussion revolves around a geometric series problem involving the expression 1/(1+x^2) and its expansion. The original poster, Fred, attempts to relate this to the arctan function and its series expansion by substituting q = -x^2 into the geometric series formula.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the correct application of the geometric series formula, with Fred attempting to derive the series expansion and questioning the convergence of the series. There are repeated prompts to correctly substitute q and identify the general term of the series.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to correctly apply the geometric series. Fred has made progress in identifying the general term but continues to seek clarification on how to proceed further. There is a lack of consensus on the final form of the series and its implications.

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Participants are navigating through potential misunderstandings regarding the series' convergence and the correct interpretation of terms within the series expansion. There are also indications of confusion regarding the indexing of terms in the series.

Mathman23
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Hi

I have the following problem:

show that

1/(1+x^2)) = 1-x^2 + x^4 + (-1)^n*(x^2n-2) + (-1)^n * (x^2n)/(1+x^2)

I that know this arctan function can be expanded as a geometric series by using:

1 + q + q^2 + q^3 + ... + = 1/(1-q)


Then by putting q = -x^2. I get:


1/(1-(-x^2) = 1 - x^2 - (-x^2) - (-x^2)^3 + ... +

My question is how do I proceed from this to get the desired result?

Sincerley and Best Regards

Fred
 
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No, try again. Do EXACTLY as in the 1/(1-q) example, with q=-x^2
 
arildno said:
No, try again. Do EXACTLY as in the 1/(1-q) example, with q=-x^2

I still get first result, but has it something to do that the series converges? And then I then add a sum to the first result?

/Fred
 
No, you simply haven't done it correctly. Try again.
Insert (-x^2) on the q-places in the following expression:
[tex]1+q+q^2+q^3+++[/tex]
What do you get?
 
Mathman23 said:
Then by putting q = -x^2. I get: 1/(1-(-x^2) = 1 - x^2 - (-x^2) - (-x^2)^3 + ... +

This is wrong. Try again.
 
arildno said:
No, you simply haven't done it correctly. Try again.
Insert (-x^2) on the q-places in the following expression:
[tex]1+q+q^2+q^3+++[/tex]
What do you get?

Hello by inserting q = -x^2 into the above I get:


1/(1-x^2) = 1 - x^2 + x^4 - x^6 + ... +

but how do I proceed from there ?

Sincerley

Fred
 
Now you got it right and should be able to "see" how the general term looks like. Just see how the sign changes and how the exponent increases.
 
Mathman23 said:
Hello by inserting q = -x^2 into the above I get:


1/(1-x^2) = 1 - x^2 + x^4 - x^6 + ... +

but how do I proceed from there ?

Sincerley

Fred
Great! One flaw though:
You've been working with 1/(1-(-x^2)), not 1/(1-x^2)!

Now, find the n'th term, and scrutinize the infinite part of the series starting with the n'th term.
 
assyrian_77 said:
Now you got it right and should be able to "see" how the general term looks like. Just see how the sign changes and how the exponent increases.


Hello I can see that the the function changes in the following way

(-1)^n * (x^2)^n, then


1/(1-x^2) = 1/(1-x^2) = 1 - x^2 + x^4 - x^6 + ... + (-1)^n * (x^2)^n


Do I then rewrite the above result to get the result required ?

Sincerely
Fred
 
  • #10
You have now found the general term of the series expansion of 1/(1-(-x^2))
For all N>=n, draw out the common factor (-1)^(n)x^(2n)
What are you left with then?
 
  • #11
The n-1 term ?

/Fred


arildno said:
You have now found the general term of the series expansion of 1/(1-(-x^2))
For all N>=n, draw out the common factor (-1)^(n)x^(2n)
What are you left with then?
 
  • #12
No.
Let's see:
We have:
[tex](-1)^{n}x^{2n}+(-1)^{n+1}x^{2n+2}+++=(-1)^{n}x^{2n}(1-x^{2}+++)[/tex]
Try to deduce how the +++++ will look like..:wink:
 
  • #13
The n + 1 term ?

/Fred

arildno said:
No.
Let's see:
We have:
[tex](-1)^{n}x^{2n}+(-1)^{n+1}x^{2n+2}+++=(-1)^{n}x^{2n}(1-x^{2}+++)[/tex]
Try to deduce how the +++++ will look like..:wink:
 
  • #14
What are you talking about?
Try to figure out the rest by yourself
 
  • #15
I'v have been looking at mathworld, and then arrieved at the following idear:
Then I need to do it for infinity?

/Fred


[tex]S_n = \sum_{k=1} ^ {\infty} (-1)^k \frac{1}{1-x^k}[/tex]


arildno said:
What are you talking about?
Try to figure out the rest by yourself
 
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  • #16
Try to tackle it this way:
The infinite series starting with the n'th term is of the form:
[tex]\sum_{i=n}^{\infty}(-1)^{i}x^{2i}[/tex]
Now, introduce the new index j=i-n, that is i=j+n
Then, the series can be written in the form:
[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j+n}x^{2n+2j}[/tex]
What can you do about this expression?
 
  • #17
I rewrite it as a product of a two Sums ??

/Fred

arildno said:
Try to tackle it this way:
The infinite series starting with the n'th term is of the form:
[tex]\sum_{i=n}^{\infty}(-1)^{i}x^{2i}[/tex]
Now, introduce the new index j=i-n, that is i=j+n
Then, the series can be written in the form:
[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j+n}x^{2n+2j}[/tex]
What can you do about this expression?
 
  • #18
No, draw out the common factor!
[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n+j}x^{2n+2j}=(-1)^{n}x^{2n}\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j}[/tex]
What is the j-sum equal to?
 
  • #19
arildno said:
No, draw out the common factor!

[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n+j}x^{2n+2j}=(-1)^{n}x^{2n}\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j} = (-1)^{n} 2^{n}[/tex]
What is the j-sum equal to?
??


[tex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n+j}x^{2n+2j}=(-1)^{n}x^{2n}\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j} = (-1)^{n} x^{2n}[/tex]

/Fred
 
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  • #20
Please write out the first few terms of the series [itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j}[/itex]
 
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  • #21
arildno said:
Please write out the first few terms of the series [itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}x^{2j}[/itex]

Hello

[itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}x^{2j} = (-1)^{n} + (-1)^{n}x^{2} + (-1)^{n}x^{4} + (-1)^{n}x^{6} + (-1)^{n}x^{8}[/itex]

/Fred
 
  • #22
Ok, what arildno meant was this: [itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j}[/itex]. The index is j everywhere.
 
  • #23
Oops; sorry about that mistake in the index.
 
  • #24
[itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j} = (-1) + (-1)x^{2} + (-1)x^{4} + (-1)x^{6} + (-1)x^{8}[/itex]

/Fred
 
  • #25
Correct! That series have you seen before in this thread; what does it sum up to?
 
  • #26
arildno said:
Correct! That series have you seen before in this thread; what does it sum up to?


Hi it sums up to

[itex](-1)^{n} x^{2n}[/itex]

/Fred
 
  • #27
No it does not; that is a TERM in the series.
What does the whole series sum up to?
 
  • #28
Mathman23 said:
[itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j} = (-1) + (-1)x^{2} + (-1)x^{4} + (-1)x^{6} + (-1)x^{8}[/itex]

/Fred
OOPS! This is wrong!
When j is even, [itex](-1)^{j}=1[/itex] wheras if j is odd, we have [itex](-1)^{j}=-1[/itex]

Use this info.
 
  • #29
Hi the series summes up to [tex]\frac{1}{1-x^2}[/tex]

/Fred

arildno said:
No it does not; that is a TERM in the series.
What does the whole series sum up to?
 
  • #30
Hi

Then

[itex]\sum_{j=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{j}x^{2j} = x^{2} + x^{4} + x^{6} + x^{8}[/itex]

Because j is even.

/Fred

arildno said:
OOPS! This is wrong!
When j is even, [itex](-1)^{j}=1[/itex] wheras if j is odd, we have [itex](-1)^{j}=-1[/itex]

Use this info.
 

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