US Presidential Primaries, 2008

[Ivan Seeking]

Most polls have already closed. You can follow the results here:
http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/

 

[Gokul43201]

10% reporting - Clinton has a small lead over Obama.

Reps: McCain >> Romney >> Huckabee

 

[Ivan Seeking]

CNN projects McCain the winner.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

PS: Exit polls from CNN had Obama with 1% more than Clinton.

Clinton has taken a disturbing early lead.

 

[mheslep]

Clinton has taken a disturbing early lead.

Doesn't matter. Sen. Obama is going to win easily, at least 5 points. G'night.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

I just heard an interesting stat on CNN. Of women voters who only today decided who they would support, by a ten percent margin, Hillary beat Obama after she cried.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Whoops, this is the page that I meant to link.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#NH

 

[Astronuc]

I was listening to NPR this morning, and the first town to vote, Dicksville, NH, with 17 votes had a majority for Obama.

The Dem race is close, with Clinton and Obama (1 and 2) much closer than Iowa.

Apparently McCain spent a lot of time in NH and that shows, but Romney is not too far behind. Huckabee is relatively a distant third. Giuliani back there in fourth, with Paul fifth, and both well ahead of Thompson.


I think it may come down to Clinton vs Obama, and Romney vs Huckabee, but let's see.


Oh Nuts! We still have 10 months to go.

 

[physicsbhelp]

help!

 

[physicsbhelp]

i like obama and giuliani to vs. each other.

 

[Ivan Seeking]

Clinton won.

 

[gravenewworld]

As an Independent, I will absolutely NOT vote for Hillary. The candidate that sways the independent vote in this election will win. 43% of independents in NH voted for Obama compared to only 31% for Hillary (that voted Dem), Independents simply don't like Hillary. I'd much rather vote for a moderate Republican that isn't a religious psychopath like McCain.

Hillary is not an electable candidate and will get thrashed if she ever makes it to the Presidential election.

 

[Astronuc]

Clinton won.

Well, not by much. At 94% of precincts in, Clinton has 39% vs Obama at 37%, and both apparently get the same number of delegates (to the national convention I guess). It's a small win for Clinton, and she didn't end up third. I wonder if her campaign or the media will trumpet this as a comeback like Bill. I hope not.

Romney is a strong second to McCain.

Interestingly, tonight I heard Gov. Spitzer (NY) pushing for Clinton (of course, not surprise there), and Gov. Duval Patrick (MA) was favoring Obama.

California, Texas and Florida will be interesting for both parties, and so will Texas, Illinois, Pennsylvania and Ohio. Lots of electoral votes in those states.

 

[Gokul43201]

New Hampshire Results:
Dem:
1. Clinton 39%
2. Obama 37%
3. Edwards 17%

Rep:
1. McCain 37%
2. Romney 32%
3. Huckabee 11%

Points Table:

               NH        Total
Gokul          10         21
Ivan           10         21
BobG           8          20
Astronuc       6          19 
Evo            10         19  
Coin           8          15
Art            8          8
Maxwell                   8

Next up: Michigan Primary (Jan 15)

 

[Gokul43201]

I wonder if her campaign or the media will trumpet this as a comeback like Bill. I hope not.

It's all they've been doing!

 

[Ivan Seeking]

A 2% victory in her "firewall state" is hardly a major comeback; esp given that Obama came from 20 points behind!

 

[falc39]

wow wow wow

Can someone please tell me how 44% of voters who disapprove of the Iraq war voted for McCain?!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHREP"

This is the same guy who said "make it 100!" (years in iraq) days before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUE-QmH-n4Q"

unbelievable

I don't think McCain is that credible with the war... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hR2EGpl4o&feature=related"

how can something like this happen?

 

[denverdoc]

It's a small win for Clinton, and she didn't end up third. I wonder if her campaign or the media will trumpet this as a comeback like Bill. I hope not.

MSNBC was calling it one of the most electrifying moments or victories in American political history and made it sound as if Hillary was the one who had come back from a 15 point deficit, instead of the other way around. I know many of the polls had predicted a huge Obama win, but those likely flawed vs an actual 15 point comeback in 48 hrs. But that's the spin.

 

[gravenewworld]

Bush Bush Bush Clinton Clinton Bush Bush Clinton?

(who knows Jeb Bush in 2103?)

I thought "anyone" could become President.


LOL

Everything controlled by the few elite as usual. When will Americans open their eyes?

 

[BobG]

Giuliani finally beat Ron Paul!

Michigan
Republican:

1. McCain
2. Romney
3. Huckabee

Democratic:

1. Uncommitted
2. Clinton
3. Kucinich

Or can we pick uncommitted as an option? It's one of the choices on the ballot.

 

[Astronuc]

Michigan
Democratic:

1. Obama (a neighbor)
2. Clinton (more likely than Edwards?)
3. Edwards (progressive)

I'll get back later on the Republicans.

 

[BobG]

wow wow wow

Can someone please tell me how 44% of voters who disapprove of the Iraq war voted for McCain?!

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#NHREP"

This is the same guy who said "make it 100!" (years in iraq) days before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFknKVjuyNk"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUE-QmH-n4Q"

unbelievable

I don't think McCain is that credible with the war... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hR2EGpl4o&feature=related"

how can something like this happen?

Among Republicans, only Ron Paul has been more outspoken against the way Bush has handled Iraq. None the less, all of the candidates, including Democrats, have given very unrealistic plans for Iraq. If you have to read between the lines hoping a particular candidate really means their concern has shifted to the Middle East as a whole rather than being limited to Iraq, then you have a problem.

Still, I think the biggest reservation I have against any Republican candidate (other than Paul) is their endorsement of pre-emptive war as a realistic option for foreign policy.

 

[BobG]

Michigan
Democratic:

1. Obama (a neighbor)
2. Clinton (more likely than Edwards?)
3. Edwards (progressive)

I'll get back later on the Republicans.

Ha! This game is more fun the nerd sniping!

 

[mheslep]

Among Republicans, only Ron Paul has been more outspoken against the way Bush has handled Iraq. ...

I think that's backwards. Rep Paul has been outspoken on getting to Iraq in the first place but has not been out front on the way the war was managed. Indeed, he differentiated himself from the other candidates by drawing attention to the fact that they may have initially supported the invasion but were now trying to redeem themselves by saying the flaw was in the way the war was managed.

 

[Astronuc]

Ha! This game is more fun the nerd sniping!

I'm tyring to get a handle on the R/Ind in Michigan. I was hoping to find some summary on the % of R and Ind in MI. Anybody know of one?

McCain will do well in parts, as Romney and Huckabee will do well in others. I just don't know how to read the mid-west at the moment.

 

[BobG]

I think that's backwards. Rep Paul has been outspoken on getting to Iraq in the first place but has not been out front on the way the war was managed. Indeed, he differentiated himself from the other candidates by drawing attention to the fact that they may have initially supported the invasion but were now trying to redeem themselves by saying the flaw was in the way the war was managed.

You're right. That's an important distinction. That's what I meant about being uncomfortable with most of the Republican candidates endorsing the idea of pre-emptive wars.

 

[Gokul43201]

Astro, BobG: You folks like to make your picks early, dontcha? What's the tearing hurry?

Can someone please tell me how 44% of voters who disapprove of the Iraq war voted for McCain?!

This is the same guy who said "make it 100!" (years in iraq) days before.

unbelievable

I don't think McCain is that credible with the war...

how can something like this happen?

Amongst all candidates, I think McCain is probably (one of) the most credible on the war. Most of the people that disagree with him on the war issue might nevertheless admit that he (McCain) knows an awful lot more about the situation and what's the best way to deal with it than any of them can possibly hope to in their positions.

 

[BobG]

Astro, BobG: You folks like to make your picks early, dontcha? What's the tearing hurry?

Tearing is in fashion now. Getting in touch with your feminine side is an advantage in the primaries.

Or did you mean tearing?

 

[Gokul43201]

I'd much rather vote for a moderate Republican that isn't a religious psychopath like McCain.

You need to look in a different country then. McCain is the only Republican candidate that supports embryonic stem cell research funded federally, and he belongs to what is arguably the most liberal and progressive church in the country (the Episcopal Church).

 

[Astronuc]

MSNBC was calling it one of the most electrifying moments or victories in American political history and made it sound as if Hillary was the one who had come back from a 15 point deficit, instead of the other way around. I know many of the polls had predicted a huge Obama win, but those likely flawed vs an actual 15 point comeback in 48 hrs. But that's the spin.

Gosh! Darn! Makes me wish I was a pollster or political correspondent for a major media organization - NOT!

Electrifying my @$$. :zzz: