Using continuity to evaluate a limit of a composite function

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a limit of a composite function using continuity, specifically focusing on the zeros of the polynomial function ##x^2 - 2x - 4## and the implications of domain restrictions on the limit process.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss using a graphics calculator to find the zeros of the polynomial and question how these relate to the domain restrictions necessary for evaluating the limit. There are attempts to apply the epsilon-delta definition of limits, with some participants expressing uncertainty about this approach.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the limit process and the implications of their findings. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between continuity and limits, but no consensus has been reached on the specific method to resolve the original poster's query.

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There are references to specific domain restrictions and the need to consider values excluded from the solution. Participants also note the importance of understanding the epsilon-delta definition of limits, which some have not fully grasped.

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For this problem,
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The solution is,
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However, I tried to solve this problem using my Graphics Calculator instead of completing the square. I got the zeros of ##x^2 - 2x - 4## to be ##x_1 = 3.236## and ##x_2 = -1.236##

Therefore ##x_1 ≥ 3.236## and ##x_2 ≥ -1.236##

Since ##x_1 > x_2## then,

Therefore ## (x | x ≥ -1.236 ) ## which is ##~(x | x ≥ 1 - \sqrt{5} )~## (sorry curly brackets were not working), however, my domain restriction excludes some other values shown in the solution. Dose anybody please know a way using my method to get those values?

Many thanks!
 
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In the process of ##lim_{x\rightarrow 4}## we put x in the region ##(4-\epsilon, 4+\epsilon)## for any small positive number ##\epsilon##, which is in your {x| 3.236<x} but not in {x|x<-1.236}.

For an example of another exercise of ##lim_{x\rightarrow -2}## we put x in the region ##(-2-\epsilon, -2+\epsilon)## for any small positive number ##\epsilon##, which is not in your {x| 3.236<x} but is in {x|x<-1.236}.
 
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anuttarasammyak said:
In the process of ##lim_{x\rightarrow 4}## we put x in the region ##(4-\epsilon, 4+\epsilon)## for any small positive number ##\epsilon##, which is in your {x| 3.236<x} but not in {x|x<-1.236}.

For an example of another exercise of ##lim_{x\rightarrow -2}## we put x in the region ##(-2-\epsilon, -2+\epsilon)## for any small positive number ##\epsilon##, which is not in your {x| 3.236<x} but is in {x|x<-1.236}.
Thank you for your reply @anuttarasammyak !

Sorry, I have not really done by epsilon-delta definition of a limit.

Many thanks!
 
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Homework Statement: Please see below
Relevant Equations: Please see below

For this problem,
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The solution is,
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However, I tried to solve this problem using my Graphics Calculator instead of completing the square. I got the zeros of ##x^2 - 2x - 4## to be ##x_1 = 3.236## and ##x_2 = -1.236##

Therefore ##x_1 ≥ 3.236## and ##x_2 ≥ -1.236##

Since ##x_1 > x_2## then,

Therefore ## (x | x ≥ -1.236 ) ## which is ##~(x | x ≥ 1 - \sqrt{5} )~## (sorry curly brackets were not working), however, my domain restriction excludes some other values shown in the solution. Dose anybody please know a way using my method to get those values?

Many thanks!

For P(x) = ax^2 + bx + c:

If P has only a single real root, or no real roots:
  • If a &gt; 0 then P(x) \geq 0 everywhere.
  • If a &lt; 0 then P(x) \geq 0 only at the real root (if any).
If P has two distinct real roots r_1 &lt; r_2:
  • If a &gt; 0 then P(x) \geq 0 for x \leq r_1 or x \geq r_2 ("outside the roots").
  • If a &lt; 0 then P(x) \geq 0 for r_1 \leq x \leq r_2 ("between the roots").

All of these results follow from the facts that P(x) is positive for all sufficiently large |x| if a &gt; 0 and negative for all sufficiently large |x| if a &lt; 0 and that a polynomial only changes sign at a real root of odd multiplicity.

Alternatively, by completing the square you can reduce this to either |x - p| \leq q or |x - p| \geq q. The first has the interpretation that x is at most q units away from p, ie. p - q \leq x \leq p + q. The second has the interpretation that x is at least q units away from p, ie. x \leq p -q or x \geq p + q.
 
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This seems a case of using continuity implies sequential continuity. ( Though the converse is false).
 
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