Using General Relativity to analyze the twin paradox

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The discussion centers on the twin paradox in General Relativity (GR) and critiques of Einstein's explanation involving pseudo gravitational fields. The traveling twin's assertion that their clock shows less elapsed time due to a gravitational field created during acceleration is challenged by Builder, who argues that this violates causality since such fields cannot propagate faster than light. However, the original poster refutes this by clarifying that the gravitational field is a coordinate effect, not a physical one, and does not require propagation. This analysis aligns with Einstein's 1916 interpretation of GR, emphasizing that frame-dependent quantities, such as time dilation and length contraction, are equally valid in their respective frames.

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  • #151
Jimster41 said:
what physical thing is happening to the "traveling twin" in a single acceleration step

He's accelerating. :wink: That is, he is "changing direction" in spacetime, so his worldline is curved, not straight. More precisely, his worldline has two straight segments with a curved segment in between; the curved segment is where he is accelerating. The stay-at-home twin's worldline is straight the whole time.

If you mean, what causes him to accelerate, anything that causes him to feel a force will work: he can fire rockets, he can be pushed by a giant laser, he can turn on an electromagnet in his ship and get deflected by an external magnetic field, etc.

Jimster41 said:
which is dependent on energy, by which time dilation and length contraction occur

Time dilation and length contraction don't depend on "energy". The stay-at-home twin never expends any energy--his worldline is straight the whole time--but he still is time dilated and length contracted relative to the traveling twin.

Jimster41 said:
that is not a local space-time "bending" moment
As long as the energy the traveling twin needs to expend to curve his worldline is small enough, it will have negligible effect on the spacetime geometry. But SR doesn't explain why this is true; SR just assumes it (and assumes that we are only dealing with situations where all the energies are small enough). To explain why energies that are small enough don't affect the spacetime geometry, you need GR; the Einstein Field Equation, which tells you how much spacetime curvature is produced by a given amount of energy, is part of GR, not SR.
 
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  • #152
harrylin said:
It's certainly possible to verify if a calculation method that is claimed to work indeed works. I provided two references that verified that Einstein wasn't bluffing, for those who hold that Einstein's description is too vague to verify. :wink:
They made a lot of assumptions in the German-to-Math translation. I am not saying that their assumptions are bad ones, but I still hold that his description is too vague to verify.
 
  • #153
harrylin said:
Neither Einstein, nor Moller, nor Builder brought them up in this context.
Clearly Einstein did. That is what he was referring to when he said "gravitational field". I showed in his technical paper where he stated that explicitly, but even just his pop-sci paper makes it clear from the way he describes the properties of the gravitational field.

harrylin said:
there remain fictional terms in his description with magical effects.
With this I think it is time to close this thread. This now primarily about Einstein's word-choice and not about physics, and this type of language is deliberately unhelpful. Let's keep future threads to actual physics and not semantics.
 
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