Using Green's functions in electrostatics

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the understanding and application of Green's functions in electrostatics, particularly as presented in the textbook by Jackson. Participants seek alternative resources that may provide clearer insights into the concept and its physical implications.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in grasping the use of Green's functions as described in Jackson and seeks recommendations for more intuitive physics references.
  • Another participant suggests that electrical engineering texts on system theory might provide a clearer understanding of Green's functions, noting that the term is often replaced with "system impulse response" in those contexts.
  • A third participant mentions that Franklin's "Classical Electromagnetism" covers Green's functions from a physical viewpoint, which may be beneficial.
  • There is a viewpoint that engineering texts can sometimes explain physics concepts better than traditional physics textbooks, with a critique of Jackson's pedagogical approach being raised.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best resources for understanding Green's functions, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness of different texts and approaches remaining evident.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the pedagogical effectiveness of Jackson's text compared to other resources, highlighting a potential gap in clarity and intuition in the original material.

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Hi everyone.

I'm in my first semester of Jackson right now, and most of it's fine, but I'm having a hard time understanding the use of Green's functions as Jackson describes them in chapters 1-4. Does anyone know of another good physics reference that might be more clear? I have plenty of the math methods type books, but I'm specifically looking for more connection to physics and building the Green's function approach into my physics intuition.

If this post is too vague, I can pinpoint a couple of specific problems that have given me headaches.

Thanks,

quasar_4
 
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quasar_4 said:
Hi everyone.

I'm in my first semester of Jackson right now, and most of it's fine, but I'm having a hard time understanding the use of Green's functions as Jackson describes them in chapters 1-4. Does anyone know of another good physics reference that might be more clear? I have plenty of the math methods type books, but I'm specifically looking for more connection to physics and building the Green's function approach into my physics intuition.

If this post is too vague, I can pinpoint a couple of specific problems that have given me headaches.

Thanks,

quasar_4

I've looked at a number of physics books that cover this and they all seem unintuitive to me. I'll offer (a possibly controversial) suggestion. You could try electrical engineering texts on system theory. Here the Green's function approach (at least a special case of it) is used extensively. The strange thing is that you rarely see the term "Green's Function" in these texts. Instead system impulse response is considered, but the formalism is the same.

I'm an electrical engineer that took many physics courses. As an undergrad, I remember studying the Green's function approach in a "Mathematical Methods of Physics" class. I was confused at first and then realized linear system theory used this extensively. Somehow, system theory is an easier context to make sense of the principles. I sometimes wonder if electrical engineers long ago banished the term "Green's function" for being too intimidating. :smile: (well you do see it at the grad level, but there you can't hide from the mathematicians and physicists)

The following text is a good book on the subject, but it's not the only one. In this book, chapters 1 and 2 would be enough to show just how intuitive, simple and powerful the Green's function method is. I don't recommend buying a brand new hard cover book for this purpose, but if you can find it used or in soft-cover, or better yet at the library, I would recommend it. The first edition might even be better for your purpose.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0138147574/?tag=pfamazon01-20
 
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Chapter 5 of Franklin's "Classical Electromagnetism" cover Green's functions in electrostatics from a physical viewpoint.
 
I agree with Steven.
Engineering text sometimes teaching better physics than physics textbook.
I do not understand why anybody wants to read Jackson. It is more like a reference than a textbook. There are so many pedagocially better books than Jackson or another one (Goldstein, yaks).
 

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