Using relativity: speed of electron in electric field

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The discussion revolves around the motion of an electron accelerated by a voltage of 100 kV and subsequently subjected to a homogeneous electric field of 1 kV/m. Participants are exploring how to calculate the electron's speed after 30 ns and its displacement from the original direction.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the electron's speed using relativistic equations and questions the validity of their results, suspecting that the final speed cannot be the same as the initial speed.
  • Some participants question the assumptions regarding the potential difference and the distance the electron can travel in the given time frame, suggesting that the speed change may not be significant.
  • Others provide equations and suggest methods for calculating the electron's displacement and speed, while also introducing the concept of three-dimensional motion in electric and magnetic fields.

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Homework Statement


Electron, accelerated by voltage 100 kV, hits homogeneous electric field 1 kV/m. How fast is the electron after 30 ns and how big is its offset from original direction?


Homework Equations


##\vec{E}=(0,E,0)##
##\vec{v_0}=(v_0,0,0)## therefore ##u_{0}^{\mu }=(c\gamma _0,\gamma_0 \vec{v})##
##\mathfrak{F}^{\mu }=(\frac{e\vec{E}\vec{u}}{c},e(\vec{E}+\vec{v}\times \vec{B}))##


The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, to calculate the initial speed of electron:
##T=mc^2(\gamma -1)=eU##
##\gamma =\frac{mc^2+eU}{mc^2}##
##\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}=\frac{mc^2}{mc^2+eU}##
##v_0=c\sqrt{1-\frac{m^2c^4}{(mc^2+eU)^2}}=0,55c##

Now let's write Newtons law...:
##\frac{\partial u^{(0)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{eE}{mc}u^{(2)}=\alpha u^{(2)}## for ##\frac{eE}{mc}=\alpha ##
##\frac{\partial u^{(2)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{eE}{mc}u^{(0)}=\alpha u^{(0)}##
and
##\frac{\partial u^{(3)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{\partial u^{(1)}}{\partial \tau }=0##

First two give me differential equation ##\frac{\partial^2u^{(0)} }{\partial \tau ^2}=\alpha ^{2}u^{(0)}##. Using ##u^{(0)}=Acosh(\alpha \tau )+Bsinh(\alpha \tau )## and initial conditions:

##u^{(0)}=c\gamma _0cosh(\alpha \tau )## and ##u^{(2)}=c\gamma _0sinh(\alpha \tau )##
Now here is the part I am having troubles with:
I believe that ##u^{(0)}## is also equal to ##c\gamma ## where ##\gamma ## is different that ##\gamma _0## since the speed is different.
If that is true, that ##u^{(0)}=c\gamma _0cosh(\alpha \tau )=c\gamma## so ##\gamma _0cosh(\alpha \tau )=\gamma##

If I integrate ##u^{(0)}=\frac{\partial x^{(0)}}{\partial \tau }## ... ##x^{(0)}=\int_{0}^{\tau }\gamma _0cosh(\alpha \tau )d\tau =\frac{\gamma _o}{\alpha }sinh(\alpha \tau )## but ##x^{(0)}=ct##.

This now gives me ##\alpha \tau =arcsinh(\frac{t\alpha }{\gamma _0})## and to go back to equation ##u^{(0)}=c\gamma _0cosh(\alpha \tau )=c\gamma## ... for calculated ##\alpha \tau ## this gives me almost identical gammas ##\gamma _0=\gamma ## which would mean that the velocity after 30 ns is practically the same...


I don't believe that. Can anybody help me understand where I made a mistake? The velocity can't be the same... No way! It has to be larger than initial! At least that's what i think...
Thanks!
 
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The speed does not change much. Just consider the extreme case: what is the largest potential difference any particle could pick up in 30 ns? Well, in 30ns, a particle cannot travel more than 9m, which corresponds to 9kV, much less than your 100kV. In addition, your electron is not moving with the speed of light in that direction - its initial velocity in that direction is zero! Its displacement will be smaller by far. A nonrelativistic calculation gives 8cm, or just 80eV. Nothing compared to 100keV.
 
Hi, you are almost ready! Your solutions look good. I got
u^0=\gamma_0 c \cosh(\alpha \tau), \quad u^2=\gamma_0 c \sinh(\alpha \tau)
and also
x^0=c t=\frac{\gamma_0 c}{\alpha} \sinh(\alpha \tau).
Now just use
\cosh(\alpha \tau)=\sqrt{1+\sinh^2(\alpha \tau)}.
This gives
u^2=c \alpha t, \quad u^0=c \sqrt{\gamma_0^2+\alpha^2 t^2},
and finally
v^2=c \frac{u^2}{u^0}=\frac{c \alpha t}{\sqrt{\gamma_0^2+\alpha^2 t^2}}.
Now you can calculate easily the rest.
 
Ok, that makes sense. =)

One more question... How do I now calculate it's displacement from original direction?
 
If you know v(t) in the direction of the electric field, this should be no problem.
 
aaaa, ok! I get it now. :)

THANKS to both of you!
 
What if I find myself doing this for three dimensional space? For example:
##\vec{E}=(Ecos\varphi ,Esin\varphi ,0)##, ##\vec{B}=(0,0,B)##

Than:

##\vec{E}\vec{u}=u^{(1)}Ecos\varphi +u^{(2)}Esin\varphi ## and
##\vec{E}+\vec{u}\times \vec{B}=(eEcos\varphi +Bu^{(2)},eEsin\varphi -Bu^{(1)},0)##

so

##\frac{\partial u^{(0)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{eE}{mc}(cos\varphi +u^{(2)}Esin\varphi )##,

##\frac{\partial u^{(1)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{1}{m}(eEcos\varphi +eBu^{(2)})##,

##\frac{\partial u^{(2)}}{\partial \tau }=\frac{1}{m}(eEsin\varphi -eBu^{(1)})## and

##\frac{\partial u^{(3)}}{\partial \tau }=0##

Now.. ##\frac{\partial^2 u^{(0)}}{\partial \tau ^2}=\frac{eE}{m^2c}(eE+eB(cos\varphi u^{(2)}-sin\varphi u^{(1)}))##

How am I supposed to solve that? :/
 
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