Using Stoke's theorem on an off-centre sphere

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The discussion focuses on applying Stokes' theorem to an off-center sphere problem. A participant identifies a missing factor of √2 in their solution and seeks clarification on their approach. They derive the normal vector for the surface and calculate the surface integral, ultimately confirming that the integral over any surface bounded by the same curve will yield the same result. It is emphasized that using the simplest surface, such as a planar disk, simplifies the calculations without affecting the outcome. The consensus is that the choice of surface does not impact the validity of Stokes' theorem in this context.
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Homework Statement



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Stokes theorem
$$\int_C \textbf{F} . \textbf{dr} = \int_S \nabla \times \textbf{F} . \textbf{ds}$$

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I have the answer to the problem but mine is missing a factor of$$\sqrt 2 $$ I can't seem to find my error
 

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Please write out your attempt instead of attaching an image of it. I cannot read what is in your image.
 
Apologies for that:

F= (y,z,x)
curl F = (-1,-1,-1)

Projecting the surface on the x-y plane:

Take ##\Phi = z- \sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2} = 0## from the equation of the surface to find the normal n. Then $$\textbf{n} = \dfrac{\nabla\Phi}{|\nabla\Phi|} = \dfrac{\left(\dfrac{x-b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}} , \dfrac{y-b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}},1\right)}{\dfrac{\sqrt{2}b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}}}$$

Now ##ds = \dfrac{dx dy}{\textbf{n}.\textbf{k}} = \dfrac{\sqrt{2}b}{\sqrt{2b(x+y)-x^2 -y^2}} dxdy ##

$$\therefore \int_{S}\nabla \times \textbf{F}.\textbf{ds} = -\int\int dxdy = -\int^{2\pi}_{0}\int^{\sqrt{2}b}_{0} r \ dr d\theta = -2\pi b^2$$

Where for the change to polar coordinates was taken as ##x=rcos\theta +b , y=rsin\theta +b##
 
The plane ##x + y +0z= 2b## has unit normal ##\hat n = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle## in the correct direction. So $$
\oint_C \vec F\cdot dr = \iint_S \langle -1,-1,-1\rangle \cdot \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle ~dS
=-\frac 2 {\sqrt 2} \cdot \text{Area of circle}$$
You don't need to jump through all those hoops to get the unit normal to a plane nor work the area integral.
Edit, added: What's worse, the plane is vertical and can't be expressed as a function of ##x## and ##y##.
 
LCKurtz said:
The plane ##x + y +0z= 2b## has unit normal ##\hat n = \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle## in the correct direction. So $$
\oint_C \vec F\cdot dr = \iint_S \langle -1,-1,-1\rangle \cdot \frac 1 {\sqrt 2}\langle 1,1,0\rangle ~dS
=-\frac 2 {\sqrt 2} \cdot \text{Area of circle}$$
You don't need to jump through all those hoops to get the unit normal to a plane nor work the area integral.
Edit, added: What's worse, the plane is vertical and can't be expressed as a function of ##x## and ##y##.

So this is taking the surface to be the circle ? Thats much simpler then, thanks!
 
Morbidly_Green said:
So this is taking the surface to be the circle ? Thats much simpler then, thanks!
Yes. It doesn't matter what surface is bounded by the curve. No matter which surface you use, its surface integral is equal to the same ##\int_C \vec F\cdot dr##, so they are all equal. So you can evaluate the surface integral over simplest such surface, which is the planar disk.
 
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