Using v= omega cross r to find instantaneous velocity

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the instantaneous velocity of an object rotating about a specified axis using the equation \(\vec{v} = \vec{\omega} \times \vec{r}\). The object rotates at 4 rad/s, and the discussion centers around the setup and execution of the cross product in a physical context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of the angular velocity vector and the position vector for the cross product. There are questions about the appropriateness of converting to decimal form and concerns about potential rounding errors. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the interpretation of "instantaneous velocity" versus "speed."

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on maintaining the prefactor in its original form to avoid complications. There is acknowledgment of the correctness of the approach taken by the original poster, though no consensus on the final outcome has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the original poster's inexperience with cross products and physical applications, which may influence their confidence in the calculations. There is also a hint that the problem may be part of a broader homework assignment with specific expectations.

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Homework Statement


An object is rotating at 4 rad/s about an axis in direction of (2 \hat{i} - 4 \hat{j} + 3\hat{k} ) which then passes through a point (1,2,0)m .

Calculate the instantaneous velocity at the point (2,0,3)m (Hint: use \vec{v} = \vec{\omega} \times \vec{r})

Homework Equations


<br /> \hat{A} = \frac{\vec{A}}{|\vec{A}|}<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


First off, i would like to say I am extremely new (1-2 weeks new) to cross products, and this is the first time we have been given physical (rather than purely mathematical) problems to implement it.

What I immediately thought of was the equation I put in the relevant equations section, how a unit vector is calculated and since all I need/want from the vector (2 \hat{i} - 4 \hat{j} + 3\hat{k} ) is the direction I turned that into a unit vector, and then to get the angular velocity vector times that by 4. So...
<br /> \sqrt{2^2+4^2+3^2} = \sqrt{29} \\<br /> \therefore \vec{\omega} = (\frac{4 \cdot 2}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{i} - \frac{4 \cdot 4}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{j} \frac{4 \cdot 3}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{k}) rad/s = (\frac{8}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{i} - \frac{16}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{j} + \frac{12}{\sqrt{29}} \hat{k}) rad/s
And then converted to decimal to makes things easier
<br /> \vec{\omega} = (1.486 \hat{i} - 2.971 \hat{j} + 0.557 \hat{k}) rad/s<br />

And then to get \vec{r} I did (1,2,0)-(2,0,3)=(-1,2,-3)

And then did the cross product, I am not sure how to do matrices in latex but I put i,j,k on top row (of 3 by 3 matrx) and then on second row put the omega vector and then on third put (-1,2,-3).

Then I got the determent and thus the velocity vector to be...
<br /> \vec{v} = [(-2.971 \cdot -3)-(0.557 \cdot 2)] \hat{i} + [(1.486 \cdot -3)-(0.557 \cdot -1)] \hat{k} + [(1.486 \cdot 2)-(-2.971 \cdot -1)] \hat{k} \\<br /> \vec{v} = 7.8 \hat{i} -3.9\hat{k}+0.001\hat{k}<br />

I don't know if my method is correct at all, I am suspicious of the low value for the k component for a start off. Oh and as the question asks for "the instantaneous velocity" I do not know whether they mean just the velocity vector or its magnitude; I assume if they meant the magnitude then they would have just said "speed" instead, though.
 
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FaraDazed said:
And then converted to decimal to makes things easier
This makes things a lot more complicated. It is easier to keep the prefactor ##\frac{4}{\sqrt{29}}## as it is (don't even put it to the components). It stays a common prefactor of everything, so you can continue to work with the nice integers (like 2,-4,3 for your rotation axis) and care about the ugly prefactor later. This also does not lead to the rounding error you see in your result.

They probably mean velocity, but you can give both. You have the velocity, the speed is easy to calculate.
 
mfb said:
This makes things a lot more complicated. It is easier to keep the prefactor ##\frac{4}{\sqrt{29}}## as it is (don't even put it to the components). It stays a common prefactor of everything, so you can continue to work with the nice integers (like 2,-4,3 for your rotation axis) and care about the ugly prefactor later. This also does not lead to the rounding error you see in your result.
ok, fair enough, thanks. But is my method correct and what I did after converting to decimal? Just so if I know its correct I can just go back an keep with the surds but follow the same steps.
 
Yes the approach is correct.
 
mfb said:
Yes the approach is correct.

Ok, thanks for your help :)
 

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