Value of a measuring rod in an expanding universe?

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of expanding space in relation to the distance between two points and how it affects the measurement of objects such as stars. The discussion also addresses the misconception that expanding space leads to a static universe. The papers provided offer further clarification on the topic.
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I have a question, but I'm a neophyte so please correct my premise if it is wrong. If it is true that in an expanding universe the space between any 2 points increases than wouldn't it be true that the space between the end points of a measuring rod (e.g. a light year, or more fundamentally a meter) would increase in like proportion to the objects it is measuring (e.g. 2 stars). Therefore wouldn't the distance between 2 stars measured today (using today's rod) be the same as the distance between those same 2 stars measured in the past(using the past rod). If that were true, wouldn't it appear (disregarding doppler effects and other such phenomena) that the universe was static?
 
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No, only the space between comoving (coming with the expansion) points increases.

A meterstick is a bound system, so at least one (an possibly both) ends of it will not be comoving.

You are right in that changing all distances by a factor of two would be a scale change and thus unobservable, but that's not what the expanding space idea is about - though the popular version of "expanding space" isn't very clear, and confusion like yours is common.

You might also look at the following papers:

"Expanding space: the root of all evil?" http://arxiv.org/abs/0707.0380
"Expanding confusion" http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808

The first talks about some criticism of the expanding space idea, but explains how to interpet the paradigm correctly to avoid confusion, so it might be especially helpful. The second is a bit more advanced, I think, but relevant.
 

1. What is a measuring rod in the context of an expanding universe?

A measuring rod is a tool used to measure distances in the physical world. In the context of an expanding universe, it refers to the hypothetical concept of a fixed length rod that remains constant even as the universe expands.

2. How is the value of a measuring rod affected by the expansion of the universe?

The value of a measuring rod is affected by the expansion of the universe because as the universe expands, the distances between objects also increase. This means that the length of a measuring rod will appear to decrease as the universe expands.

3. Why is the value of a measuring rod important in understanding the expansion of the universe?

The value of a measuring rod is important in understanding the expansion of the universe because it allows us to accurately measure the distances between objects and track the rate of expansion. Without a reliable reference point, it would be difficult to study and understand the expansion of the universe.

4. Can the value of a measuring rod change over time in an expanding universe?

No, the value of a measuring rod does not change over time in an expanding universe. It remains constant, but appears to decrease relative to the increasing distances between objects due to the expansion of the universe.

5. How do scientists account for the expansion of the universe when using measuring rods?

Scientists account for the expansion of the universe when using measuring rods by using the concept of redshift. This is the phenomenon where light from distant objects appears to shift towards the red end of the spectrum due to the expansion of the universe. By measuring this redshift, scientists can calculate the correct distances between objects and adjust for the expansion of the universe.

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