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The discussion revolves around computing the coefficient of thermal expansion, α, for an ideal Van der Waals gas in terms of pressure (P) and volume (V). Participants are exploring the relationships defined by the Van der Waals equation and the definition of α.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the possibility of isolating variables and the need to eliminate temperature (T) from the equations. There is a focus on derivatives and the application of Maxwell's relations. Some participants question whether an explicit solution is necessary.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between variables, with some participants providing guidance on manipulating equations. While there are attempts to derive expressions for α, no consensus has been reached on a final form, and participants are encouraged to consider different approaches.

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Participants are working within the constraints of the Van der Waals equation and the definitions of thermodynamic properties, with some expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their manipulations and the need for clarification on certain terms.

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Compute the coefficient of expansion α in terms of P and V...

Homework Statement



Compute the coefficient of expansion α in terms of P and V for an ideal Van der Waals
gas

Homework Equations



(p+a/v^2)(v-b)=RT

The Attempt at a Solution



Is this as simple as solving for a? How would I go about eliminating T? I believe I have to take a derivative.
 
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Kidphysics said:

Homework Statement



Compute the coefficient of expansion α in terms of P and V for an ideal Van der Waals
gas

Homework Equations



(p+a/v^2)(v-b)=RT

The Attempt at a Solution



Is this as simple as solving for a? How would I go about eliminating T? I believe I have to take a derivative.

The coefficient of thermal expansion is defined as:

\alpha=\frac{1}{v}(\frac{\partial v}{\partial T})_p
 
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Chestermiller said:
The coefficient of thermal expansion is defined as:

\alpha=\frac{1}{v}(\frac{\partial v}{\partial T})_p

ah yes, I should have looked that up myself I assumed it was the a in the formula. Since it seems I cannot isolate v in this equation I cannot explicitly find (\frac{\partial v}{\partial T})_p I tried looking for some nifty maxwell's relations but I cannot find any that would be useful.. any helpful hints? and thank you for the reply!
 
Who says you have to do it explicitly?
 
Chestermiller said:
Who says you have to do it explicitly?

Ok bare with me I'm not the brightest. So are you implying I should compute

∂/∂T(pv-pb+a/v-ba/v^2=RT)

and get something like p∂v/∂T-a/v^2(∂v/∂T)+ba/v^3(∂v/∂T)=R∂T/∂T

Then factor and get ∂v/∂T= R/(p-a/v^2+ba/v^3)

then


α=(1/v)(∂v∂T)p = (1/v)R/(p-a/v^2+ba/v^3)

it's in terms of p,v at least.. is this correct?
 
Looks OK, except for the omission of a factor of 2 in the ba term. If I were you, I would try playing with the final equation a little bit to see if I could combine it with the original equation in some way to manipulate it into a simpler form. If you don't feel like doing this, that's OK. Your answer is fine as it is. Nice job.
 
Chestermiller said:
Looks OK, except for the omission of a factor of 2 in the ba term. If I were you, I would try playing with the final equation a little bit to see if I could combine it with the original equation in some way to manipulate it into a simpler form. If you don't feel like doing this, that's OK. Your answer is fine as it is. Nice job.

Pretty awesome stuff Chestermiller I appreciate it.
 

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