Vaporization and change in internal energy

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The discussion revolves around the change in internal energy during the vaporization of water at constant pressure. Participants are examining the relationship between the initial and final volumes of water in both liquid and vapor states, as well as the application of the first law of thermodynamics in this context.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the definition of initial volume in the context of vaporization, specifically whether it should be considered as the volume of the liquid or zero. There is also a discussion about the applicability of the first law of thermodynamics to different states of matter.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the initial volume, suggesting it should be the volume of the liquid. Others are exploring the implications of this assumption and questioning the accuracy of provided information in similar problems.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific values for pressure and volumes, as well as a comparison to a similar problem in a manual that suggests a different interpretation of initial volume.

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Homework Statement


Suppose 1 g of water vaporizes isobarically at atmosphere pressure (1.013 x 105 Pa). Its volume in the liquid state is Vi = 1 cm3, and its volume in the vapor state is Vf = 1671 cm3. Find the change in internal energy

Homework Equations


[tex]\Delta U = \Delta Q - \Delta W[/tex]

[tex]\Delta W = p*\Delta V[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I want to ask about [tex]\Delta V[/tex].
[tex]\Delta V = V_2-V_1[/tex]

V2 = Vf, and what is V1 ? Is it Vi or is it zero because volume of vapor is zero initially?

Thanks
 
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Hi songoku! :smile:

(have a del: ∆ :wink:)
songoku said:
Suppose 1 g of water vaporizes isobarically at atmosphere pressure (1.013 x 105 Pa). Its volume in the liquid state is Vi = 1 cm3, and its volume in the vapor state is Vf = 1671 cm3. Find the change in internal energy

V2 = Vf, and what is V1 ? Is it Vi or is it zero because volume of vapor is zero initially?

It's Vi. :smile:
 


Hi tiny-tim! :biggrin:

Why is it not zero? I think we have to consider the vapor state, excluding the liquid state. Does the first law of thermodynamics only apply for gas?

Thanks
 


The first law of thermodynamics applies to everything, not just gasses.
 


I encountered a very similar question.

Consider 100 g (100 cm3) of a liquid evaporating at constant pressure of 100 kPa to vapor of volume 0.167 m3. Assuming that the latent heat of vaporization of the liquid is 2.26 MJ kg-1 K-1 and the vapor behaves like an ideal gas, find the change internal energy.

On the manual, it is written :

note that the volume of gas is zero initially, so ∆V = 0.167 - 0

Is the manual wrong or am I missing something?

Thanks
 


That's weird.

It makes very little difference in the result, but I was pretty sure you should account for the original volume of the liquid -- if the accuracy of the given numbers warrants it.
 


ok

Thanks for your help, tiny-tim and Redbelly98 !
 

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