Variation of Parameters (Diffy Equ.)

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The problem involves solving a second-order differential equation using the method of variation of parameters. The specific equation is t²y"-t(t+2)y'+(t+2)y= 2t³, with given solutions y1(t)=t and y2(t)=te^t for t>0. The poster is attempting to understand how to handle constants of integration in their solution.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the method of variation of parameters but is uncertain about the constants of integration c1 and c2 due to the lack of initial conditions. Some participants suggest that without additional conditions, these constants cannot be determined.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of dropping the constants of integration and discussing the nature of particular versus general solutions. There is a recognition that the original poster's approach leads to a specific solution, but clarity is sought on how this relates to the general solution of the differential equation.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted absence of initial or boundary conditions in the problem statement, which complicates the determination of the constants of integration. The discussion also touches on the relationship between particular solutions and the general solution of the associated homogeneous equation.

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Homework Statement



t²y"-t(t+2)y'+(t+2)y= 2t³

y1(t)=t

y2(t)=te^t

t>0

Homework Equations



w(t)=y1*y2' - y1*y2
g=2t
y=-y1∫(gy2)/w + y2∫(gy1)/w


The Attempt at a Solution



y1=t
y1'=1
y2=te^t
y2'=e^(t)+ te^(t)

w(t)=te^(t)+t²e^(t)-te^(t)=t²e(t)

∫(gy2)/w=∫(2t²e^(t))/(t²e^(t))=∫ 2dt=2t+c1

∫(gy1)/w=∫(2t²)/(e^(t)t²)=∫2e^(-t) dt=-2e^(-t) + c2

my final answer:
y=-2t²-tc1-2t+te^(t)c2


The book some how got rid of the C's...
The answer in the book is:

Y(t)= -2t²

I have no idea how to solve for the c1 and c2 without initial conditions.
 
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You can't without some kind of additional conditions, either "initial values" or "boundary values", you cannot determine the constants. Reread the exercise and see if additional conditions are not given somewhere.
 
There is no additional information, but I have found on the oher problems that if I let c1 and c2=0 then I get the correct answer. On this problem though I have a correct solution when I drop the c's, but unlike the rest of the problems I don't get the exact answer in the book.

The solutions manual actually gets to the point where I ended...

-2t²-2t

but it says" However since t is a solution of the homogeneous D.E. we can choose as our particular solution Y(t)= -2t²


I am not too sure what they mean by this,If this helps anyone understand how they arrived at that answer, I would greatly appreciate an explanation.
 
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You did not state the problem correctly then. "[itex]-2t^2[/itex]" is NOT the general solution to the equation, nor is it a solution to the equation with specific additional conditions. It is a particular solution to the entire equation- which you would then add to the general solution to the associated homogeneous equation to get the general solution to the entire equation.

Yes, if the general solution to the associated homogeneous equation is "[itex]C_1e^{ax}+ C_2e^{bx}[/itex]" and a particular solution is [itex]y_p(x)[/itex], then the general solution to the entire equation is [itex]C_1e^{ax}+ C_2e^{bx}+ y_p(x)[/itex] and, obviously, taking [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]C_2[/itex] equal to 0 gives back [itex]y_p(x)[/itex]. IF part of the [itex]y_p(x)[/itex] that you get happens to be one of the solutions to the homogeneous equation, then you can add that to the homogeneous equation just changing the constant multiplying it.

Here two independent solution to the associated homogeneous equation are t and [itex]te^t[/itex] so the general solution to the homogeneous equation is [itex]y= C_1t+ C_2te^t[/itex].

You say you got, as specific solution to the entire equation [itex]y_p= -2t^2- 2t[/itex]. Okay, that means your general solution to the entire equation can be written as [itex]y(x)= C_1t+ C_2te^t- 2t^2- 2t[/itex]. But that is the same as [itex]y(x)= (C_1- 2)t+ C_2te^t- 2t^2[/itex] and that could be rewritten as [itex]y(x)= B_1t+ B_2te^t- 2t^2[/itex] where [itex]B_1= C_1- 2[/itex] and [itex]B_2= C_2[/itex].
 

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