Vector addition word problem question

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The discussion revolves around a vector addition problem involving an aircraft's velocity relative to the ground, influenced by wind direction and speed. Participants are exploring the interpretation of angles derived from vector calculations, particularly in the context of navigation and direction.

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  • Participants are examining the meaning of the angle calculated in relation to the aircraft's direction and the wind's influence. There is confusion about how to interpret the angle as "south of west" rather than simply using standard angle measurements.

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Some participants have provided insights into the definitions of angles used in the calculations and how these relate to the quadrant in which the vector lies. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of negative components in determining the vector's direction.

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Participants are discussing the definitions and conventions used in vector calculations, particularly regarding angle measurement and quadrant identification. There is an emphasis on adhering to the established definitions throughout the problem-solving process.

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I solved a word problem correctly...But I'm a little confused about what my answer means, I guess I'm having trouble understanding how they got the meaning of the numbers. My question is about step (b).

Problem:
The velocity of an aircraft is 200 km/hr due west. A northwest wind of 50 km/hr is blowing.
a. What is the velocity of the aircraft relative to the ground?
b. If the pilot's destination is due west, at what angle should he point his plane to get there?
c. If his destination is 400 km due west, how long will it take him to get there?

My correct answer:
G = 200
Gx = 200*cos(180°) = -200
Gy = 200*sin(180°) = 0
Gθ = 180°
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W = 50
Wx = 50*cos(315°) = 35.36
Wy = 50*sin(315°) = -35.36
Wθ = 315°

R = √[(-35.46)2+(-164.64)2] = 168.4
Rx = -164.64
Ry = -35.36
Rθ = arctan[(-35.36)/(-164.64)] = 12.12°
...And I also solved step C, but it's not relevant.

The book says the plane is moving 168.4 km/hr at 12.12° south of west...
I don't understand how they knew what the 12.12° meant...How did they know it was south of west, rather than north-east, which is the direction your average 12.12° on the unit circle would face?
 
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It follows from your definition of the angle as angle between air and ground speed (=W).
 
mfb said:
It follows from your definition of the angle as angle between air and ground speed (=W).

I don't understand... Normally when I do this exact series of equations, I get an angle that I can just use as a normal angle... What is the difference? How am I supposed to know it means "south of west"?
 
Somewhere in the solution process, you introduce an angle θ. Check where this is done, and how the angle got defined. You have to stick to that definition in the interpretation of θ afterwards, of course.
 
Both of the components in your final calculation of Rtheta are negative.
This should tell you that the vector lies in the fourth quadrant, which is south of west.
 
SteamKing said:
Both of the components in your final calculation of Rtheta are negative.
This should tell you that the vector lies in the fourth quadrant, which is south of west.

The angle made by 12.12° south of west is 192.12°, wouldn't that be in the 3rd quadrant?
 
personguything said:
The angle made by 12.12° south of west is 192.12°, wouldn't that be in the 3rd quadrant?
I think SteamKing meant that since both components of Rtheta are negative the vector lies in the third quadrant
 
haruspex said:
I think SteamKing meant that since both components of Rtheta are negative the vector lies in the third quadrant

So if xcomp = neg, ycomp = neg it's 3rd, xcomp = pos, ycomp = neg it's 4th etc?
 
personguything said:
So if xcomp = neg, ycomp = neg it's 3rd, xcomp = pos, ycomp = neg it's 4th etc?

Yes.
 

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