Vector Calculus: Understanding Divergence & Curl

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on understanding the concepts of divergence and curl in vector calculus, particularly in relation to their interpretations and implications in various fields. Participants explore how to describe fields with specific divergence and curl values, including cases where these values are expressed as functions of variables.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the meaning of a field with a divergence of 2 and a curl of 2, seeking clarification on these concepts.
  • Another participant points out that curl is a vector quantity, implying that stating a field "has a curl of 2" is not meaningful.
  • It is noted that when variables like ##x## and ##y## appear in divergence expressions, they indicate that divergence varies at different spatial points.
  • A participant provides an analogy using water currents to illustrate how divergence and curl can manifest in physical systems, mentioning non-zero divergence at inlets and outlets and greater curl near whirlpools.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the visual representation of curl and divergence from an external resource.
  • Another participant reiterates the need for proper representation of curl as a vector and connects it to the concept of torque, suggesting that curl acts in a direction perpendicular to the forces causing rotation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit some agreement on the definitions of divergence and curl, but there is disagreement regarding the interpretation of a field having a specific curl value. The discussion remains unresolved as participants continue to seek clarification and understanding.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the intuitive understanding of vector fields, indicating potential gaps in foundational knowledge that may affect their interpretations of divergence and curl.

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Hi! I have recently been independently studying vector calculus. I understand that divergence measures change in magnitude and curl is the change in direction, however, I don't understand what certain divergences and curls represent. For example, how would you describe a field with a divergence of 2? What about a curl of 2? What about when divergences and curls have veriables in them (i.e. 3x+7y)? Thanks in advance!
 
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Isaac0427 said:
Hi! I have recently been independently studying vector calculus. I understand that divergence measures change in magnitude and curl is the change in direction, however, I don't understand what certain divergences and curls represent. For example, how would you describe a field with a divergence of 2? What about a curl of 2? What about when divergences and curls have variables in them (i.e. 3x+7y)? Thanks in advance!

Curl is a vector and 2 isn't a vector, so saying that a field "has a curl of 2" is meaningless.

If you see variables such as ##x## and ##y## in the expression for divergence that means that the divergence is different at different points in space; ##x## and ##y## are the coordinates of the point where you're calculating the divergence. The same thing works for the expressions for the components of the curl vector.

If your vector field is the current in a body water (at every point ##(x,y)## the water is moving in some direction with some speed) the divergence will be non-zero at the inlets and outlets where water is entering or leaving the system, and the curl will be greatest in the neighborhood of the whirlpools (if any).

If any part of what I just said does not make sense, you need to go back and solidify your intuitive understanding of what a vector field is.
 
Nugatory said:
Curl is a vector and 2 isn't a vector, so saying that a field "has a curl of 2" is meaningless
I was using http://www2.sjs.org/raulston/mvc.10/topic.6.lab.1.htm and I just want to know visually, what it means for those examples to have the curl and divergence that they are said to have.
 
Isaac0427 said:
I was using http://www2.sjs.org/raulston/mvc.10/topic.6.lab.1.htm and I just want to know visually, what it means for those examples to have the curl and divergence that they are said to have.

Look halfway down that page and you'll see that it says "Now, technically, since curl represents a direction, it has to be represented by a vector, and it’s more correct to say that
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. If you’re conversant with torque, you know that it acts in a direction perpendicular to the plane of the forces causing the spin, so it wouldn’t surprise you that curl G is in the z-direction for Field 10."
 

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