Vector geometry - determinant proof

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a vector geometry problem involving the proof of a determinant related to vectors A, B, and C. The original poster attempts to expand the expression for the normal vector n, defined as the cross product of (C-B) and (B-A), and is seeking guidance on how to simplify this expression.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the expansion of the expression for n and express confusion over the complexity of the resulting terms. There are questions about the application of the distributive law for vectors and how to correctly simplify the expression.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using the distributive law and have prompted the original poster to share their work for further clarification. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to expanding the expression, with no clear consensus yet on the next steps.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for confusion regarding the terms involved in the expansion, particularly the misinterpretation of vector expressions. The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can provide.

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Homework Statement



Exercise 44 - In the picture attached

Homework Equations



HINT - expand the expression for n and plug the result into equation (70), then use equation (63)

n=(C-B)X(B-A)

n dot (r - A) = 0 (eq. 70)

A dot (B X C) = det {A B C} (eq. 63)

[PLAIN]http://postimage.org/image/68xx59akh/ [/PLAIN]

[PLAIN]http://postimage.org/image/rzbcga401/ [/PLAIN]

[PLAIN]http://postimage.org/image/wtauu6jv9/ [/PLAIN]

The Attempt at a Solution



Like the hint said, I expanded the expression for n , which is (C-B)X(B-A) and I got a giant mess. I have no idea if I did it right or am doing it right or what to do here
 
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hi bossman007! :smile:
bossman007 said:
Like the hint said, I expanded the expression for n , which is (C-B)X(B-A) and I got a giant mess.

it should come out very simple :confused:

show us what you did :smile:
 
[PLAIN]http://postimage.org/image/j5wfm5rjr/ [/PLAIN]
 
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ohhh! that's why it's a giant mess! :biggrin:

no, keep it simple

use the distributive law …

(C - B) x (B - A) … ? :wink:
 
many thanks :D,

what is the distributive law for 3 vectors?
 
P x (Q + R) = (P x Q) + (P x R) :wink:
 
thank you :D

so that means in my case I do B x (C-A) ?
 
is this right?
 
(just got up :zzz:)
tiny-tim said:
(C - B) x (B - A) … ? :wink:
bossman007 said:
thank you :D

so that means in my case I do B x (C-A) ?

nooo …

how did you get that result? :confused:
 
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What should this be exactly? I'm not sure I understand either
 
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bossman007 said:
thank you :D

so that means in my case I do B x (C-A) ?
? There is NO "C- A" in the expression you want to expand!

(C- B)\times (B- A)= C\times(B- A)- B\times(B- A)
That's one step, now do it again:
C\times B- C\times A- B\times B+ B\times A
and, of course, B\times B= 0.
 

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