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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving vector displacement, average velocity, and average speed of a plane flying between two cities. The scenario includes specific distances traveled in different directions and seeks to determine the resultant displacement and average values based on the given data.

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  • Participants discuss the use of vector addition and the Pythagorean theorem to calculate displacement. There are questions about the correctness of calculations and the interpretation of direction based on Cartesian coordinates.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, sharing calculations and seeking clarification on concepts like magnitude and direction. Some have provided guidance on using diagrams and formulas, while others are exploring different interpretations of the results.

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There are references to specific distances and times, as well as a need to clarify definitions related to magnitude and average speed. The discussion includes attempts to reconcile different methods and results without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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A plane flies 483 km east from city A to city B in 45.0 min and then 966 kim south from city B to city C in 1.50 h. For the total trip, what are the magnitude and direction of the plane's displacement, the magnitude and direction of its average velocity, and its average speed?
 
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It may be helpful to draw a diagram. Some pythag and trig may also be required...
 
All you need is some simple vector addition:http://www.codesampler.com/d3dbook/chapter_02/chapter_02_files/image012.jpg" .
 
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Would this be correct:

I calculated r the distance between points A and C by r = (483 km) + (- 966 km) to get - 483 km
So the planes magnitude was 483 km in the negative direction, or south east. Is this correct?
 
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A plane flies 483 km east from city A to city B in 45.0 min and then 966 kim south from city B to city C in 1.50 h. For the total trip, what are the magnitude and direction of the plane's displacement, the magnitude and direction of its average velocity, and its average speed?

Would this be correct:

I calculated r the distance between points A and C by r = (483 km) + (- 966 km) to get - 483 km
So the planes magnitude was 483 km in the negative direction, or south east. Is this correct?
 
kara said:
A plane flies 483 km east from city A to city B in 45.0 min and then 966 kim south from city B to city C in 1.50 h. For the total trip, what are the magnitude and direction of the plane's displacement, the magnitude and direction of its average velocity, and its average speed?

Would this be correct:

I calculated r the distance between points A and C by r = (483 km) + (- 966 km) to get - 483 km
So the planes magnitude was 483 km in the negative direction, or south east. Is this correct?

Nope, use Pythagoras's theorem to calculate the magnitude of the total displacement of the plane.
 
ok.. so i used pythagorean theorem and got this:

r = 1080.020833 which i'll round to 1080 for 4 sig figs.

Now finding r gave the the magnitude would i use the tan formula to find direction?
 
kara said:
ok.. so i used pythagorean theorem and got this:

r = 1080.020833 which i'll round to 1080 for 4 sig figs.

Now finding r gave the the magnitude would i use the tan formula to find direction?

Exactly. By the way, the 'arrow' points from A to C.
 
Basic physics help

ok.. so i used pythagorean theorem and got this:

r = 1080.020833 which i'll round to 1080 for 4 sig figs.

Now finding r gave the the magnitude would i use the tan formula to find direction?


now i found the angle to be = tan-1 (966/483) and got 63.4 * but how do i know what direction its in?
If i draw the diagram on the cartesian plane i get the final location of the plane to be in the -y +x coordinate, so it would be in the south east direction? am i right?
 
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based on your last reply, what's the definition for magnitude?
b/c now I've got to find magnitude and direction for average velocity and then average speed
 
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kara said:
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If i draw the diagram on the cartesian plane i get the final location of the plane to be in the -y +x coordinate, so it would be in the south east direction? am i right?

Yes, you're right. Again, look at the vector addition rule I linked somewhere above, it should make everything clear.
 
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Alright, so to find the magnitude and direction of the plane's average velocity i used the vave = delta r/delta t formula to find average velocity for vx and vy and then i used pythagorean theorem to find v and i got 910.8 km/h... does that make any sense? Now I am assuming the direction would be exactly the same as before. And how do i calculate average speed?
 
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Here, this link should be useful: http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/GBSSCI/PHYS/CLASS/1DKin/U1L1d.html" .
 
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Alright so based on the website you provided and my notes i calculated the average speed to be 644 km/h and the average velocity to be 214.7 km/h in the south east direction.

v = (483 + 966)/2.25 = 644 km/h

vave = (966-483)/2.25 = 214.7 km/h south east

What do you think??
 

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