Velocity from Static and Total pressures

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The discussion revolves around calculating the velocity of fluid using static and total pressures obtained from a wind tunnel experiment. Participants explore the application of Bernoulli's equation and the interpretation of pressure readings from a manometer, addressing potential confusion regarding the definitions and calculations involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether atmospheric pressure needs to be added to the static and total pressure readings obtained from the manometer.
  • Another participant clarifies that static pressure is equal to total pressure at a stagnation point.
  • A participant specifies that the static pressure measurement was taken perpendicular to the flow, while the total pressure was taken normal to the flow.
  • There is a suggestion to use Bernoulli's equation to derive the velocity, but confusion arises regarding which pressures to use in the equation.
  • One participant proposes using the difference between dynamic and static pressures for the velocity calculation, assuming negligible compressibility effects.
  • A later reply indicates that the total pressure calculated from the example provided is not accurate and emphasizes the importance of using differential pressure instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express confusion over the correct application of pressure readings in the Bernoulli equation, and there is no consensus on the interpretation of the total pressure calculation. Multiple competing views on how to approach the problem remain evident.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the reference points for pressure measurements and the potential effects of compressibility on the calculations.

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Hi,
I am becoming a bit stuck with a fairly cynical question.

I want to work out the velocity of the fluid from the static and total pressures obtained in a wind tunnel experiment.
The manometor was open to air (atmospheric) at one end and measuring static or total pressure at the other. Both readings were taken.

To calculate the velocity p0=p+0.5*rho*u2

Which all seems fine.
Rearrange to find u

However, the values I have are not Ptotal or Pstatic correct?
I need to add atmospheric pressure to these?
I have an equation which is:
P0=patm-rho*g*h

So for an example,
patm=101081.39 Pa
h? (Reading from manometor)=0.002
So:
101081.39-(1.2*9.81*0.002)=P0
Would this indeed be the total pressure?

Paul
 
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The manometer gives you the static pressure, which will be equal to the total pressure if it's placed at a stagnation point.
 
Sorry, might not have been making it quite clear.
The static pressure measurement was staking perpendicular to the flow and the total (stagnation) press was taken normal to the flow.
 
Just use the bernoulli equation to back out the velocity, as per your textbook.
 
Yes but I'm getting confused as to use as what in the bernoulli equation.
The equation is stated in my original post to find the velocity...
 
ptptaylor said:
Yes but I'm getting confused as to use as what in the bernoulli equation.
The equation is stated in my original post to find the velocity...

I believe your analysis is correct, but its been a few years since I've done that calculation so someone should double check my statement. I've become spoiled in getting data files of pressure measurements from digital instruments that I'm now rusty.
 
If both of your pressure readings are referenced to atm, then you simply use the delta between the dynamic and static pressure in your calculation.

V =\sqrt{\frac{2 \Delta P}{\rho}}

That is assuming compressibility affects are negligible. If so you need to take that into account and is a function of Mach number.
 
ptptaylor said:
So for an example,
patm=101081.39 Pa
h? (Reading from manometor)=0.002
So:
101081.39-(1.2*9.81*0.002)=P0
Would this indeed be the total pressure?

Paul

That's 14.66 psi, off just 0.0000034 psi from atmospheric, so that's not the total pressure.

Fred's correct: use the differential pressure. Given your example, if it's representative, you'll not be encountering compressibility effects.
 

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