Velocity needed to complete a loop

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves determining the velocity required for an object to complete a vertical loop with a radius of 22 meters. The context suggests a scenario where energy conservation and forces are relevant to the analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of energy conservation principles and the conditions necessary for the object to remain on the loop without falling. There are questions about the assumptions regarding the type of object (e.g., a cart or an airplane) and the specifics of the problem statement.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on using energy conservation and analyzing forces at the top of the loop. There is an acknowledgment of the vagueness in the original problem statement, with suggestions to clarify the complete problem for better assistance.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the exact nature of the problem, including whether the object is powered or unpowered, and the specific conditions under which the velocity is to be calculated. Participants express the need for more information to provide effective help.

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Homework Statement


Loop with radius 22m is all that is given and the required velocity to complete this loop is asked for.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I've tried many equations, the answer is 33m/s but I don't know what equations to use to attain it.

Any help with equations would be great,

Thanks
 
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you need to use energy conservation. Take your initial energy before gettig into the loop and your final energy at the top of the loop. What is the condition that the object doesn't fall from the loop? You need to convert your initial kinetic energy into the gravitational potential at the top of the loop and the kinetic energy at the top which you will find from the condition that is required to keep the object from falling.
 
Hi Numzie! :smile:

The question is rather vague, but I think you're meant to assume that it's an aeroplane, and it's powered, so it can have any velocity, v, that it wants.

So what acceleration is needed to keep it in the circle?

And what velocity is needed to produce that acceleration? :smile:
 
Numzie said:
Loop with radius 22m is all that is given and the required velocity to complete this loop is asked for.
You really should post the complete problem exactly as it was given to you.

But given the answer that you provided, I suspect that the question is something like this: A cart enters the bottom of a loop. What speed must it have at the bottom to just barely complete the loop without falling off. (The cart is on the inside of the loop.)

Assuming this is accurate, you'll need energy conservation (as stated by EngageEngage), but you'll also need to analyze the force and acceleration acting on the cart at the top of the loop (as tiny-tim suggests).
 
Doc Al said:
You really should post the complete problem exactly as it was given to you.

But given the answer that you provided, I suspect that the question is something like this: A cart enters the bottom of a loop. What speed must it have at the bottom to just barely complete the loop without falling off. (The cart is on the inside of the loop.)

Assuming this is accurate, you'll need energy conservation (as stated by EngageEngage), but you'll also need to analyze the force and acceleration acting on the cart at the top of the loop (as tiny-tim suggests).

Yes, Doc Al and EngageEngage are right … it's an unpowered cart. :redface:

The answer I get is 33 m/s.

Show us what you've tried, and then we can help you.:smile:
 

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