Velocity of Accelerated Observer in SR: Understanding the Paradox

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The discussion revolves around the implications of accelerated motion in special relativity, specifically focusing on the velocity of an observer undergoing constant proper acceleration and the interpretation of this velocity in different inertial frames. Participants explore the nature of Lorentz invariance and the conditions under which the derived velocity formula applies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the reasoning behind the formula v = c tanh(ατ/c), suggesting that if all quantities are Lorentz invariant, then the velocity should also be invariant, which seems contradictory to their understanding of special relativity.
  • Another participant clarifies that the derivation of v = tanh(ατ) relies on specific conditions of the observer's worldline in a fixed inertial frame, indicating that this equality is not Lorentz invariant and changes under transformations to other frames.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of rapidity, suggesting that the quantity ατ/c can be interpreted as an angle, which changes under boosts, thus affecting the perceived velocity in different frames.
  • One participant emphasizes that the assumptions behind the velocity formula, particularly the initial condition of zero velocity at τ=0, are not Lorentz invariant, but asserts that distant observers will agree on the observed velocity of the accelerated observer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the invariance of the velocity derived from the formula, with some arguing that it is not invariant due to the specific conditions of the observer's motion, while others maintain that distant observers will agree on the observed velocity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Lorentz invariance in this context.

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The discussion highlights limitations related to the assumptions of the velocity formula and the specific conditions under which it is derived, as well as the dependence on the choice of inertial frames.

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Hey,

I have a question regarding accelerated motion in special relativity. Suppose an observer has a constant proper acceleration α, his velocity in an inertial frame of a distant observer will then be given [itex]v = c tanh(ατ/c)[/itex], where τ is the proper time of the accelerated observer. Since every quantity in the argument of the function is lorentzinvariant, v also should be an invariant quantity. But that would imply, that every observer agrees on the velocity of the accelerated observer at a given moment, which doesn't fit in my knowledge of special relativity so far... is there a fault in my reasoning or am I missing something else?

Thanks in advance!
 
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JD96 said:
Since every quantity in the argument of the function is lorentzinvariant, v also should be an invariant quantity.

Recall that in order to derive ##v = \tanh(\alpha \tau)## one must explicitly use the fact that the worldline of the observer relative to a fixed inertial frame is ##t(\tau) = \sinh \alpha\tau## and ##x(\tau) = \cosh \alpha \tau##. Clearly under a boost to another inertial frame or any arbitrary coordinate transformation the worldline of the observer will not preserve this exact form because ##t,x## change under the transformation e.g. if I boost then ##t\rightarrow \gamma(t - vx), x\rightarrow \gamma(x - vt)## while the ##\sinh \alpha\tau,\cosh \alpha\tau## remain the same so if I express everything explicitly in terms of the new ##t,x## in this boosted frame then I won't have the same simple form as before for the coordinates of the accelerated observer.

In other words the equality ##v = \tanh \alpha \tau## is not a Lorentz invariant equality because it is only valid in a specific background Lorentz frame.
 
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Hmm...
In ##v=c\tanh(\alpha \tau/c)##, the quantity ##\alpha \tau/c## is like
an angle between spacelike radial directions (analogous to the rapidity as the angle between timelike-worldlines from an event).
The origin of these radial directions is the event whose lightcone forms the apparent horizon for the family of concentric accelerating observers.

A boost will essentially add a constant to this angle, which alters your velocity in that boosted frame.

Maybe the best way to think about what is going on is that
if you set your clock to read ##\tau=0##, when you are at rest in that frame,
after a time ##\tau## on your clock, your velocity will be ##v=c\tanh(\alpha \tau/c)## in that frame.
 
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JD96 said:
Since every quantity in the argument of the function is lorentzinvariant
The assumptions behind the formula itself are not lorentz invariant - it assumes the spaceship starts with a velocity of zero at time τ=0.

Every observer will agree that your distant observer will observe the velocity of v for the spaceship.
 
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Thanks for all your answers, I got it now :)
 

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