Velocity of Earth Around Sun: Recent Claims & Calculations

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The discussion centers on the velocity of the Earth in relation to its orbit around the Sun and its rotation, including claims about changes in these velocities. Participants explore concepts related to orbital mechanics, tidal forces, and energy transfer within the Earth-Moon system.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the Earth's velocity around the Sun is constant, noting that it may vary depending on the reference frame.
  • There is a distinction made between "velocity" and "speed," with some emphasizing that Kepler's laws indicate that a planet's speed is not constant as it orbits.
  • Claims are made that the Earth's rotation rate is slowing down, with some participants expressing curiosity about the implications of this change.
  • Some participants propose that tidal friction between the Earth and the Moon is responsible for the slowing of the Earth's rotation and the increase in the Moon's orbital radius.
  • There is a discussion about the transfer of mechanical energy and momentum between the Earth and the Moon, with some participants expressing confusion about how this process works.
  • Participants debate the relationship between orbital speed and altitude, with differing interpretations of how energy changes affect an object's orbit.
  • Some participants reference examples from other celestial bodies to illustrate their points about rotation rates and tidal locking.

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Participants express a range of views on the implications of the Earth's changing rotation and its effects on the Moon's orbit. There is no consensus on several technical points, particularly regarding the relationship between speed, altitude, and energy transfer.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the complexity of the interactions between the Earth and Moon, including the conservation of energy and momentum, and how these principles apply to other celestial systems. There are unresolved mathematical relationships discussed, particularly regarding centripetal and gravitational forces.

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This discussion may be of interest to those studying orbital mechanics, astrophysics, or anyone curious about the dynamics of celestial bodies and their interactions.

  • #31
lazypast said:
im just curious, D H said something about the rate of radius increase to be the same as that of 1bn year ago.
I said nothing of the sort. :mad:

I said exactly the opposite:
D H said:
Actually, the slowing of the Earth's rotation rate has increased in the recent past (recent being relative to the 4.6 billion year age of the Earth).

What kind of evidence do we have of this? Fossil records indicate the Earth-Moon distance was 96.5% of its present value 620 million years ago. Averaged over that 620 million year period, this corresponds to a mean recession rate of about 2.2 cm/yr, which is considerably less than the current rate of 3.82±0.07 cm/yr. Records in the rocks take us back even further. The Earth-Moon distance was 90.6% of its present value 2.45 billion years ago. This corresponds to an even smaller recession rate of about 1.5 cm/yr on average for the last 2.45 billion years. We can go even further back in time. The rocks returned by the Apollo astronauts have been dated to 4.4 to 4.5 billion years old. The Moon has been around for a long, long time.

Bottom line: The current recession rate is anomalistically high.

References:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2000RvGeo..38...37W
http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/geotime/age.html
 
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  • #32
How will global warming affect the recession rate? Due to sea level rise, the length of the coast lines that are involved in pushing the tidal bulges forward will change a bit...
 
  • #33
global warming would not have a significant effect on recession rate,since that
in terms of rise in sea level is very gradual .but my doubt is
we cannot determine Earth's speed simply by doing velocity by time,taking time as 365 days and circumference of ellipse ,since we are finding angular velocity(omega)?
 

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