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The discussion revolves around the concept of mass and energy, particularly in the context of particles being accelerated to high speeds, such as protons in the Large Hadron Collider (LHC). Participants explore how acceleration affects mass, the relationship between energy and mass, and the creation of matter and antimatter from energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that matter gains mass when accelerated, particularly as speeds approach the speed of light, but the exact nature of this mass increase is debated.
  • One participant mentions that the increase in mass is relative to the frame of reference, suggesting that an observer moving alongside the proton would not measure an increase in mass.
  • Another viewpoint asserts that objects with more speed have more mass, indicating that both speed and mass are interconnected in the context of relativity.
  • There is a discussion about the equivalence of energy and mass, referencing the equation E=mc², and how kinetic energy contributes to the mass of moving particles.
  • Participants inquire about the creation of matter and antimatter from energy, with one suggesting that particle collisions in colliders can lead to such transformations.
  • Questions arise regarding the forms that matter and antimatter can take and the conditions under which they are produced, emphasizing the role of conservation laws.
  • One participant claims that recombining matter and antimatter generates the same amount of energy that was required to create it, but this is presented without consensus.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between acceleration, mass, and energy, with no clear consensus on the specifics of how these concepts interact. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the nuances of mass increase and the implications of energy-matter conversion.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of mass and energy, the relativity of measurements based on reference frames, and the complexity of particle interactions in high-energy physics.

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I accidentally posted this under another forum user's topic, sorry about that :frown:

My question was regarding matter gaining mass when it is accelerated. My question originated from an explanation of the large hadron collider; the explanation stated that when the protons in the LHC are sped up to 99.9% the speed of light, instead of gaining more speed, they get heavier. Someone posted that everything gains mass when it is accelerated, but there is no significant change until near light speed. How does this added energy translate into weight? The particles themselves are only individual protons, how does one proton gain weight, and where does that weight come from? I'm completely in the dark about this, so if my question doesn't make sense, please set me straight, thank you.
 
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I also heard it mentioned that matter and anti matter can be created with just energy, how?? What form does the matter and anti matter take? When/if they recombine, does it generate the same amount of energy that was required to create it, or are there byproducts of the whole anomaly?
 
BuddyPal said:
I accidentally posted this under another forum user's topic, sorry about that :frown:

My question was regarding matter gaining mass when it is accelerated. My question originated from an explanation of the large hadron collider; the explanation stated that when the protons in the LHC are sped up to 99.9% the speed of light, instead of gaining more speed, they get heavier. Someone posted that everything gains mass when it is accelerated, but there is no significant change until near light speed. How does this added energy translate into weight? The particles themselves are only individual protons, how does one proton gain weight, and where does that weight come from? I'm completely in the dark about this, so if my question doesn't make sense, please set me straight, thank you.
Increases speed means increased energy and energy has mass: e= mc2.
Note that, since speed must be measured relative to some "stationary" frame of reference, the increase in mass is also relative to that frame of reference. If you were moving along side the proton at 99.9% the speed of light, you would not measure any increase in the mass of the proton.
 
BuddyPal said:
I accidentally posted this under another forum user's topic, sorry about that :frown:

My question was regarding matter gaining mass when it is accelerated. My question originated from an explanation of the large hadron collider; the explanation stated that when the protons in the LHC are sped up to 99.9% the speed of light, instead of gaining more speed, they get heavier.

That's not exactly right: they do get more speed, and objects with more speed have more mass, so they also get heavier (from our point of view, at least).

Someone posted that everything gains mass when it is accelerated, but there is no significant change until near light speed. How does this added energy translate into weight? The particles themselves are only individual protons, how does one proton gain weight, and where does that weight come from? I'm completely in the dark about this, so if my question doesn't make sense, please set me straight, thank you.

The mass comes from the increased speed! This is just a fact in relativity. Energy and mass are the same stuff, so making something move faster gives it more kinetic energy and therefore more mass, since they're the same stuff. When someone says "the mass of a proton is (some standard number)" they are referring to the mass of a proton at rest. Since kinetic energy is a form of mass too, the weight is different if you "weigh" it while it's moving!

I also heard it mentioned that matter and anti matter can be created with just energy, how??

"How" is a big question... there's a whole area of physics there. But one example is a collision between particles in a particle collider. Energy becomes matter there.

What form does the matter and anti matter take?

Any form that is consistent with the laws of physics. One collision might get you some mesons, and another might get you a handful of other weird particles, like muons and whatnot. As long as all the relevant laws, like conservation of energy and conservation of momentum are satisfied, just about any random particles can be produced.

When/if they recombine, does it generate the same amount of energy that was required to create it

Always!

Of course, a particle collision doesn't usually produce just matter and antimatter, it also produces a lot of pure energy particles like photons.
 

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