Venn Diagram for set operations

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The problem involves drawing a Venn Diagram for the set operation A∩(B-C), where (B-C) represents the elements in set B that are not in set C. Participants are discussing the implications of this operation on the shading of regions in the diagram.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are exploring how to accurately represent the intersection of sets A and B while excluding elements from set C. There is uncertainty about whether to include region 5 in the shading, as it overlaps with set C.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the definitions of set operations and the implications for shading in the Venn Diagram. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the sets involved, particularly regarding the distinction between A∩B and A∩(B-C).

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Participants are referencing definitions from their textbooks and discussing notation that may not have been previously encountered. There is a focus on ensuring clarity in the representation of set differences and intersections.

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Homework Statement



Hi, the problem states to draw a Venn Diagram for A\cap(B-C)

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(B - C) means include all elements in the set B that are not in C.
Definition from my book: Let A and B be sets. The difference of A and B, denoted by A - B, is the set containing those elements that are in A but not in B. The difference of A and B is also called the complement of B with respect to A.

A\cap(B-C) means that after finding (B - C), find where A intersects (B - C).

The Attempt at a Solution


Step 1:
(B - C)
(See png file called "step1")

Step 2:
A\cap(B-C)
(see png file called "step2")

My question is, do i shade in region 5, even though (B - C) means "no elements in C" but when I have to show A and B intersect, I shade in region 4 obviously, but does that include region 5 because that's also where A and B intersect, but C is also intersecting there as well.

So, in case you didn't follow because I may or may not be good at explaining things, should I include region 5 or exempt it from being shaded in?
 

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FritoTaco said:
So, in case you didn't follow because I may or may not be good at explaining things, should I include region 5 or exempt it from being shaded in?

Region 5 is part of C, isn't it?
 
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PeroK said:
Region 5 is part of C, isn't it?
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure to shade it in. Because originally I shaded all of B and NOT C. The final part is to see where A and B intersect, so I was wondering if I now include region 5 because A and B intersect there. The problem is, that's the region where C is as well (region 5), but originally I did not want to include C.
 
FritoTaco said:
Yeah, that's why I'm not sure to shade it in. Because originally I shaded all of B and NOT C. The final part is to see where A and B intersect, so I was wondering if I now include region 5 because A and B intersect there. The problem is, that's the region where C is as well (region 5), but originally I did not want to include C.

You are trying to draw ##A \cap (B-C)##. Not ##A \cap B##

Note that you can also write the difference of ##B## and ##C## as:

##B-C = B \cap C^c##, where ##C^c## is the complement of ##C##.

That might makes things even clearer.
 
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PeroK said:
You are trying to draw A∩(B−C)A∩(B−C)A \cap (B-C). Not A∩BA∩BA \cap B
So that means that I should only have region 4 shaded in because it must be the case that A\cap B is not the same as A\cap (B-C) as you stated. Is this correct?

PeroK said:
B−C=A∩BcB−C=A∩BcB-C = A \cap B^c, where BcBcB^c is the complement of BBB.
My book never showed this notation, thanks.
 
FritoTaco said:
So that means that I should only have region 4 shaded in because it must be the case that A\cap B is not the same as A\cap (B-C) as you stated. Is this correct?

Yes, it's only region 4. Note that I mixed up the sets above, which I've now corrected.

If ##B - C## is everything in ##B## that's not in ##C##, then by definition this is ##B \cap C^c##.
 
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Okay, thank you very much.
 

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