Verify that d/dx(ln x)-1/2 using theorem 7

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The discussion revolves around verifying the derivative of the natural logarithm function, specifically that $\dfrac{d}{dx}\ln(x)=\dfrac{1}{x}$, using Theorem 7 related to inverse functions. Participants explore the application of the theorem and its implications for differentiation.

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  • One participant states that $\dfrac{d}{dx}\ln(x)=\dfrac{1}{x}$ can be verified using Theorem 7, outlining the theorem's conditions and implications.
  • Another participant attempts to clarify the application of the theorem by expressing the relationship between $y = \ln{x}$ and $x = e^y$, leading to the conclusion that $\dfrac{dy}{dx} = \dfrac{1}{x}$.
  • A different participant expresses confusion regarding the theorem's application, questioning the relevance of the inverse function in the context of derivatives.
  • One participant suggests that the notation used in the original post is misleading, emphasizing that the inverse function should be expressed in terms of $y$ and clarifying the relationship between $x$ and $y$ in the context of differentiation.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the application of Theorem 7. There is disagreement on the clarity and correctness of the initial explanation, with some participants questioning the relevance of the inverse function in the differentiation process.

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Some participants indicate confusion about the theorem's application and the notation used, suggesting that there may be missing assumptions or unclear definitions in the discussion.

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Verify that $\dfrac{d}{dx}\ln(x)=\dfrac{1}{x}$ <br>
by applying Theorem 7<br>
Theorem 7 states that: If f is a one-to-one differentiable function with inverse $f^{-1}$ and $f'(f^{-1}(a))$ then the inverse function is differtiable at a and <br>
$$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{1}{\dfrac{dx}{dy}}$$<br>
then<br>
$$f^{-1}(y)=\dfrac{dy}{dx}=1$$<br>
therefore <br>
$$\dfrac{dy}{dx}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'(x)}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{\dfrac{dx}{dy}}$$<br>
so<br>
$$\displaystyle f^{-1}{\dfrac{1}{x}}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'\left(f^{-1}<br>
\left(\dfrac{1}{x}\right)\right)}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'(x)}=\dfrac{1}{x}$$<br>
<br>
ok I kinda got lost on this review question
 
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To be honest, I became a bit lost also.A stab at what I think you’re looking for ...

$y = \ln{x} \implies x = e^y$

$\dfrac{d}{dy}\left[x=e^y \right] \implies \dfrac{dx}{dy} = e^y \implies \dfrac{1}{\frac{dx}{dy}} = \dfrac{1}{e^y} = \dfrac{1}{x} = \dfrac{dy}{dx}$

... if not, just ignore.
 
probably... I didn't get the theorem to well

not sure why the <br> shows up it didn't earlierwell our next stuff is Integration by Parts which I have some a little

Mahalo for the help...
 
karush said:
Verify that $\dfrac{d}{dx}\ln(x)=\dfrac{1}{x}$ <br>
by applying Theorem 7<br>
Theorem 7 states that: If f is a one-to-one differentiable function with inverse $f^{-1}$ and $f'(f^{-1}(a))$ then the inverse function is differtiable at a and <br>
$$\dfrac{dy}{dx}=\dfrac{1}{\dfrac{dx}{dy}}$$<br>
then<br>
$$f^{-1}(y)=\dfrac{dy}{dx}=1$$<br>
This simply makes no sense! The inverse function of a given function has nothing to do with the derivative! In addition "$f^{-1}(y)$" says that you are going to give a function depending on y but $\dfrac{dy}{dx}$ is a function of x, not y.

I think what you meant to say was that "if $y= f(x)= ln(x)$ then $x= f^{-1}(y)= e^y$". NOW you can say that $\frac{dx}{dy}= e^y$ so that $\frac{dy}{dx}= \frac{1}{\frac{dx}{dy}}= \frac{1}{e^y}= \frac{1}{e^{ln(x)}}= \frac{1}{x}$ because, of course, $e^{ln(x)}= x$.

therefore <br>
$$\dfrac{dy}{dx}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'(x)}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{\dfrac{dx}{dy}}$$<br>
so<br>
$$\displaystyle f^{-1}{\dfrac{1}{x}}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'\left(f^{-1}<br>
\left(\dfrac{1}{x}\right)\right)}<br>
=\dfrac{1}{f'(x)}=\dfrac{1}{x}$$<br>
<br>
ok I kinda got lost on this review question
 

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