Vertical Asymptotes and squaring

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The discussion revolves around finding the vertical asymptotes of the function f(x) = (x^2-1)/(x^2-4). Participants explore the behavior of the function as x approaches specific values, particularly 2 and -2, and the implications of squaring negative numbers in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the limits of the function as x approaches 2 from both the left and the right, questioning how squaring affects the sign of the result. There is an exploration of specific values to illustrate the behavior of the function near the asymptotes.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered clarifications regarding the notation used for limits and the behavior of the function near critical points. There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of squaring negative numbers and how it affects the limits being calculated.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of limits and asymptotic behavior, with some confusion regarding the notation and the effects of squaring values close to the asymptotes. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the rules governing these calculations.

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Homework Statement


Find the vertical asymptotes of:

f(x) = (x^2-1)/(x^2-4)


Homework Equations


Limits, zeroes


The Attempt at a Solution


Sorry about the mess...not too sure how to type some of this ):

lim (2^2-1)/(2^2-4) = 0+
x->2+

lim
x->2- (2^2-1)/(2(-)^2-4) = 0+

and lim as x -> -2...

I essentially understand how to do these problems (Find the zeroes of the denominator and find the limit as it approaches that number). What I don't understand is what happens to the (-) when x^2. For example in the above question, when the limit approaches 2 from the left (2-), when you square it does the (-) become positive, yielding 0+? Or does it not follow rules of squaring negative numbers and remain as 0-?
 
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Hi Glissando! :smile:

(is that a reference to music, or to baseball? o:))

The real problem is that you're confusing yourself by writing it like this :redface:
Glissando said:
lim (22-1)/(22-4) = 0+
x->2+

lim
x->2- (22-1)/(2(-)2-4) = 0+

and lim as x -> -2...

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

first, if you use the "2+" (or "2-") notation, that's instead of using lim …

it means "a number infinitesimally above (or below) 2"​

second, it's only the bottom that becomes 0+ (or 0-), not the whole fraction, isn't it? :wink:

anyway, (2-)2 is the square of a number just below 2, so it's just below 4, ie (2-)2 = 4- …

(and (-2+)2 = 4- also, and (-2-)2 = 4+)

you then subtract 4 from 4- …

is that 0- or 0+ ? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi Glissando! :smile:

(is that a reference to music, or to baseball? o:))

The real problem is that you're confusing yourself by writing it like this :redface:


(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

first, if you use the "2+" (or "2-") notation, that's instead of using lim …

it means "a number infinitesimally above (or below) 2"​

second, it's only the bottom that becomes 0+ (or 0-), not the whole fraction, isn't it? :wink:

anyway, (2-)2 is the square of a number just below 2, so it's just below 4, ie (2-)2 = 4- …

(and (-2+)2 = 4- also, and (-2-)2 = 4+)

you then subtract 4 from 4- …

is that 0- or 0+ ? :smile:


Oh WOW that just made things a lot simpler. Thanks so much (: *it's music btw.

Thanks! <3
 
Using specific values, if x= 1.99< 2 then (1.99)2=3.9601 so that 1.992- 1= 2.9601 and 1.992- 4= -0.0399. (1.992- 1)/(1.992- 4)= -74.2 approximately. That is enough to tell you that the "limit", as x goes to 2 from below, is negative infinity. Similarly if x= 2.01> 2 then 2.012= 4.0401 so that 2.012- 1= 3.0401 and 2.012- 2= 0.0401. (2.012- 1)/(2.012- 4)= 3.0401/.0401= 75.8 approximately. That is enough to tell you that the "limit", as x goes to 2 from above, is positive infinity. And that means that the limit itself does not exist, even in the "infinite" sense.
 

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