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The discussion revolves around the notation and interpretation of the action of the position operator \(\textbf{X}\) in quantum mechanics, particularly as presented in Shankar's text. Participants explore the implications of this notation in both the position and momentum (K) bases, examining the mathematical derivations and their clarity.

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  • One participant summarizes Shankar's derivation of the action of the position operator \(\textbf{X}\) and expresses confusion regarding the notation used for the kets corresponding to functions \(f(x)\) and \(g(k)\).
  • Another participant suggests that the computation of the matrix elements of \(\textbf{X}\) in the K basis might provide insight into the notation, questioning the relationship between the kets and their corresponding functions.
  • A third participant points out that the expression inside the integral leads to a specific form of the action of \(\textbf{X}\) on the momentum basis, while also critiquing the clarity of Shankar's notation.
  • A later reply confirms the correctness of the relationship between the position and momentum representations, emphasizing the distinction between the kets and their functional forms.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and appropriateness of Shankar's notation. There is no consensus on whether the notation is adequately clear or if it leads to confusion.

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Participants note potential ambiguities in the notation and the assumptions underlying the mathematical expressions, particularly regarding the representation of kets and their corresponding functions.

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Shankar p68-69 gives a mathematical "derivation" of the action of the X (position) operator, the summary of which is as follows:
\left\langle x \left| \textbf{X} \right| f \right\rangle = \dots = xf(x)
I followed the logic without a problem, since it only involves using the matrix elements of X in the basis of eigenfunctions of X. However, the next paragraph reads:
We can summarize the action of X in Hilbert space as
\textbf{X} \left| f(x) \right\rangle = \left|xf(x)\right\rangle.

Similarly, he writes, of the action of X in the K basis
\textbf{X} \left| g(k) \right\rangle = \left|i\frac{dg(k)}{dk}\right\rangle

Now, to me

f(x) = \left\langle x | f \right\rangle

and

g(k) = \left\langle k | g \right\rangle

are scalars. Hence I cannot comprehend what is intended by Shankar's notation. Any insight?
 
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I am wondering if the next computation gives some insight: Shankar then computes the matrix elements of X in the K basis as:
\left\langle k \left| \textbf{X} \right| k' \right\rangle = \frac{1}{2\pi}\int^{\infty}_{-\infty}e^{-ikx}xe^{ikx}dx

where, again, to me

\left\langle x|k\right\rangle \propto e^{ikx}

and not

\left|k\right\rangle \propto e^{ikx}
 
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Inside the integral you have

e^{-ikx} x e^{ik'x}

= e^{-ikx} \frac{1}i \frac{d}{dk'} e^{ik'x}

which is what leads him to write that \textbf{X} \left| g(k) \right\rangle = \left|i\frac{dg(k)}{dk}\right\rangle.The notation |f(x)\rangle as the ket corresponding to f(x) (which he says near the top of pg. 69) is sloppy, but I don't think there is anything wrong with it. He's not saying that |k\rangle \propto e^{ikx}, he's just using it as a notation to express the ket that comes out of the operation X|f\rangle.
 
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romistrub said:
\left\langle x|k\right\rangle \propto e^{ikx}

and not

\left|k\right\rangle \propto e^{ikx}

This is correct. To go from left to right, simply insert
1=\int_{-\infty}^{\infty}\text{d}x\left|x\right\rangle\left\langle x\right|
 

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