Very Simple Work/Energy Pendulum Problem

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The problem involves a pendulum with a 2.0 kg bob held at an angle of 55 degrees from the vertical, which reaches a maximum speed of 3.5 m/s. The objective is to determine the length of the pendulum arm using principles of work and energy.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between kinetic and potential energy, with attempts to calculate height and relate it to the pendulum's length. There are questions about constructing a triangle to apply trigonometric functions, and some participants express confusion about the setup and necessary calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and guidance on using trigonometric relationships to find the length of the pendulum arm. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify the triangle's dimensions and relationships, but no explicit consensus has been reached on the final solution.

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Participants note the importance of drawing diagrams and using trigonometric functions, while some express uncertainty about their algebraic skills and understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A 2.0kg bob of a pendulum is held at an angle of 55 degrees from the vertical. When released it reaches a maximum speed of 3.5m/s. What is the length of the pendulum arm?


Homework Equations


Ek = 1/2mv^2
Ep = mgh

The Attempt at a Solution



1/2 * 2 * 3.5 ^ 2 = 12.25 J
12.25 = 2(9.8)h
h = 0.625

That's as far as I can get. I know that the length of the pendulum arm is 0.625 plus "length - 0.625" but I'm stuck there. Help would be much appreciated :)

Thanks in advance!
 
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Draw the picture - h is the vertical distance between the start position and the bottom of the arc - and you know the angle of the arc is 55 degrees.

Construct the obvious triangle and use trig.
 
Could you please specify what the triangle would look like and which trig functions to use? I know that h is the vertical distance between the start position and the bottom of the arc and that I should use trig on a constructed triangle but I'm a little brain dead as of now and totally stonewalled.
 
Did you draw the picture?
There's only like, two possible triangles.

Hint: you want the one where the third side is horizontal.
Draw it and stare at it - keep staring at it: what is the length of the hypotenuse? What is the length of the vertical side? How are these related?
 
I did draw the picture; there's a big triangle of which the three sides are the vertical, the string, and an imaginary horizontal line, and a small one of which the three sides are h, the imaginary horizontal, and a hypotenuse roughly where the pendulum bob would swing. I've been staring at it for a good half hour before making a topic... maybe my algebra or trig is rusty? Sorry Simon, I'm not seeing anything.
 
You will kick yourself...
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Write the expression for the cosine of 55 using this triangle, and solve for r.
 

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Thanks for the diagram! That's what I had down, and I tried to use sine law but I can only get to sin35 = (r - 0.625) / r

I hate having people spell things out for me but I am just not getting this :(
 
That should do it! You just used the complimentary angle.
I was suggesting you do:\cos(55)=\frac{r-h}{r}(remember SOH CAH TOA?)
But yours is exactly the same.

Now solve for r.

You can do algebra right?
This is an equation of the form: ax = x - b
 

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