Via Motors 100 mpg full sized truck.

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The discussion revolves around the viability and implications of the VIA Motors truck claiming 100 mpg, exploring its potential as a plug-in hybrid vehicle. Participants examine the credibility of the mpg rating, the technology behind it, and the economic feasibility of such a vehicle.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the 100 mpg claim is credible, suggesting it may be misleading or a marketing tactic.
  • Others note that Bob Lutz's involvement with VIA Motors lends some credibility to the company, despite concerns about its ability to deliver real products.
  • One participant argues that mpg ratings for plug-in hybrids can be deceptive, as they often do not reflect true fuel efficiency when considering the vehicle's energy sources.
  • Concerns are raised about the economic implications of the truck's estimated price of $80K, including questions about payback periods and depreciation.
  • Participants discuss the practicality of the truck's exportable power feature, questioning its actual utility versus the costs associated with operating the vehicle.

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Participants express a mix of skepticism and intrigue regarding the truck's claims and features. There is no consensus on the credibility of the mpg rating or the economic viability of the vehicle.

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Participants highlight the potential for misleading mpg ratings in plug-in hybrids and the need for clearer standards in evaluating such vehicles. There are unresolved questions regarding the economic feasibility and practical applications of the truck's features.

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Is this an April Fool's joke?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fygtg9qtJpU
 
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It's not an April Fool joke, considering that Bob Lutz joined VIA last year after retiring from GM, and these products were announced in Dec 2011. http://www.viamotors.com/category/news/press-releases/

Whether it goes from being a startup to a company that ships real products may be a different question, but not one which interests me enough to do the research to answer it.
 
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OmCheeto said:
Is this an April Fool's joke?
Not a joke, but a trick. As a general rule of thumb, if you see any car mpg rating over about 50 or truck mpg rating over about 30, you should be looking for the trick (as you have). The trick here is simple:

Mpg ratings are essentially meaningless for vehicles not running exclusively on gas, so for a plug-in hybrid they can advertise something absurdly high. The same applied to the 230mpg advertised for the Volt a while back. [edit] Note that for electric power input, the efficiency of batteries to electric motor is on the order of 90% whereas the thermodynamic efficiency of you gas engine is at best 30% -- in highway driving. So if you do a straight joule for joule comparison, any plug-in hybrid should be at least triple the mpg of the closest car in highway driving - probably 5x or more for city driving. It gets worse if you follow a standard that only counts the gasoline burned in the fuel economy equation.

Caveat: I know the gov't was working on making standards that make sense, but I'm not sure what came of that.

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Just watched the video. Nothing to earth-shattering if you can decipher the marketing BS. The one really nice feature is the 100kW of exportable power from the generator (put it in park and you can use it as a back-up generator for your house...and your 20 closest neighbors).
 
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Estimated $80K...yeah, it's a joke. What's the pay back on that? Can I depreciate that for the next 30 years?

The 100Kw outlet sounds cool until you do the math. At 240 volts that's only 52 amps for 8 households. All the while the truck is gobbling down 10 gallons an hour at $4.00 a gallon. For $120 a day I'm enjoying the pool at the hotel and letting them worry about the mess. The execs and early investors will get paid on the backs of the late/small investors and then they fold leaving the little guys (or taxpayers if they get a grant/loan) with worthless paper. 8(
 

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