Vibration of wine tanks using music

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The discussion centers around the use of music to create vibrations in wine tanks, with the aim of enhancing the mixing process while preserving aromas. Participants explore methods to increase the effectiveness of these vibrations and share insights on the setup and potential improvements.

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Main Points Raised

  • Andy, the original poster, seeks advice on how to generate more powerful vibrations in his stainless-steel wine tanks using music.
  • Questions are raised about the dimensions and arrangement of the tanks, including their height and spacing, as well as the setup of the sound system.
  • Concerns about potential hearing loss for workers due to high sound levels in a steel and concrete environment are mentioned.
  • Some participants propose that certain frequencies, particularly low frequencies, might resonate better with the tanks and suggest experimenting with sound coupling methods, such as attaching devices to the tanks or immersing them in the contents.
  • There is a suggestion to explore whether similar practices exist in other wineries for comparison.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various ideas and suggestions, but no consensus is reached regarding the best method to achieve more powerful vibrations or the optimal frequencies to use.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific experimental data on the effects of different frequencies on the tanks and the potential impact of sound levels on workers' safety.

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hello
I'm a belgian wine maker.
We play music in our wine celler (with a very powerfull baffle) because it creates small vibrations on the tanks.
Thanks to this we mix he wines less and so they keep more aromas .
I would like to get more "powerfull" vibrations.
Does somebody have an idea of how I can do this ?
Thanks beforehand for your help
Andy
 
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Hi wyckmans. :welcome:

These are big stainless-steel tanks? How many metres tall?

As you currently have it, do the music waves from your amplifier have to travel through many metres of air before reaching the side/s of the tank?

Are the tanks sitting on a concrete floor?
 
Hello
Thanks for your answer
Yes, the +/- 14 tanks are in stainless steel - they are displayed in 4 rows
more or less 4 per row
Each row is separated by +/- 1m50 and the tanks lay next to each other every +/- 20 cm
The height varies between 3 m to 5 m high
The ground is in concrete and covered with tiles (+/-3mm thick)
The baffle (3000watt -Phantom - Devialet system) is installed +/- 3m high (because of the risk of humidity while we clean or work)
Thanks for your follow up
Kind regards
andy
 
NascentOxygen said:
Hi wyckmans. :welcome:

These are big stainless-steel tanks? How many metres tall?

As you currently have it, do the music waves from your amplifier have to travel through many metres of air before reaching the side/s of the tank?

Are the tanks sitting on a concrete floor?

Hello again,
I haven't received any more answer / reaction to my last mail (of thursday)?
Did you receive it ?
andy
 
There isn't a lot that I can add, just some musings.

3kW of sound in an environment of steel and concrete...sounds like workers risk hearing loss?

I was wondering whether there might be optimum frequencies, perhaps low frequencies that resonate closely with the tanks, these would not be pleasant to listen to during the work day, but could be played at high power overnight?

There may be a different method that would more efficiently couple the sound energy to the tank contents, perhaps by something attached to one side or encompassing the tank, or placed under one of its steel supports (if it has legs), or floated on or immersed in the contents. There would seem to be enormous scope for experimentation.

You don't know of any similar practice at any other winery with which you could compare notes?

Good luck with your brewing! [emoji485][emoji485]
 

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