Virtual Displacement: Definition & Meaning

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The discussion centers around the concept of virtual displacement as presented in Classical Mechanics by Goldstein. Participants explore the definition, implications, and differences between virtual displacement and ordinary displacement, with a focus on theoretical interpretations and formulations in mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that virtual displacement refers to a very small displacement that is not observable, while others seek clarification on this definition.
  • One participant introduces the idea of an additional time dimension, referred to as s-time, which is independent of ordinary time (t-time), proposing that virtual displacement can be interpreted as a differential displacement in this s-time.
  • Another participant questions the validity of introducing two independent time dimensions, expressing confusion about the nature of s-time and its distinction from t-time.
  • A further contribution clarifies that s-time is not a physical dimension but a conceptual tool to generate possible paths for the system, suggesting that it can be viewed as a parameter rather than a true time coordinate.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and interpretation of s-time, with some accepting it as a useful conceptual framework while others challenge its validity. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise nature and implications of virtual displacement.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of time and the interpretation of virtual displacement, as well as the dependence on definitions from Goldstein's text.

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I have been reading Classical Mechanics by goldstein for over 2 months. I have encountered the concept of Virtual Disolacement in that book. Some of my friends have told me that it means a very small desplacement that you cannot see..
However, I am not sure if it is right. Then what is the difference between virtual and ordinary displacement? Can anyone please tell me what virtual displacement really means??
 
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I understand you. I also read Goldstein now and then, and I asked myself the same question. But I think it gets a little more clear in Chapter 2, about the Hamiltonian formulation.

Imagine that there is an extra time dimension, call it s, that is independent of the ordinary time t, and imagine that the system can move in s-time as well as in t-time. The constraint equations (holonomic) may contain t explicitly, but not s.

So, when the system moves in s-time, for a fixed t, the contraints will only depend explicitly upon the space coordinates. We obtain the actual motion in time t for the system if we keep s=0.

A virtual dispacement \delta q of some generarlized space coordinate q can then be interpreted as a differential displacement of q in s-time: \delta q = \frac{\partial q}{\partial s}ds, and actually, in every formula where \delta q occurs, we can use \frac{\partial q}{\partial s}, evaluated at s=0, instead. The formulas we obtain in this way shall be valid for all possible motions of the system in s-time, and therfore, for all possible values of the \frac{\partial q}{\partial s}, for independent q:s. This will lead to Lagrange's equations just as in Chapter 1 in Goldstein.
 
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I have a few questions regarding your explanations, Erland.
How can you bring 2 time dimensions independent of each other? What does it mean? I mean time is only 1 dimension..
So youre saying that virtual displacement is the displacement in s-time, which is different from the normal t- time.. But that's still bothering me..Because I can't properly understand what s-time is.
Can you tell me what the differnce is between t time and s time??
 
Well, the s-time doesn't exist in the real world, it's just imagination, that why it's called virtual displacement. And it is not necessary to consider it as a time-coordinate (that's just how I personally think of it), but as any parameter which the generalized coordinates is imagined to depend upon, so that instead of q(t) we have q(t,s). In Chapter 2 in Goldstein, this parameter is called \alpha. We consider the system as moving wrt both ordinary time and s-time, and consider displacements wrt s (it is probably because when I think of motion, I think of it wrt time, that I consider s as a kind of time coordinate). But it doesn't exist in reality, it is just a way to generate possible paths, one path for each fixed value of s, and the actual path will be that one for which the derivative wrt s of the integral of the lagrangian vanishes. Look up Chapters 1 and 2 in Goldstein.
 

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