Why is D'Alembert's Principle stated in terms of virtual displacements?

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The discussion revolves around the formulation of D'Alembert's Principle, particularly why it is expressed in terms of virtual displacements rather than actual displacements. Participants explore the meaning and significance of virtual displacements within the context of mechanics.

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  • One participant questions the physical significance of virtual displacements in D'Alembert's Principle and seeks clarification on the concept.
  • Another participant provides an example involving a point mass moving along a horizontal bar, explaining that the actual displacement includes both horizontal and vertical components, while the virtual displacement is constrained to the direction of the constraint.
  • A participant argues that focusing on virtual displacements allows for the consideration of only active forces, which are distinct from constraint forces that do not contribute to the motion along the constraint.
  • It is suggested that understanding virtual displacements simplifies the problem-solving process and that there are theoretical reasons for this focus that may become clearer through the study of Lagrangian mechanics.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the concept of virtual displacements, and while some explanations are provided, there is no consensus on a singular interpretation or significance of the concept.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the concept of virtual displacement is not immediately intuitive and may require further study in appropriate texts or documents to fully grasp its implications.

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  1. Why is the D'Alembert's Principle

    ∑i(Fi−miai)⋅δri=0
    stated in terms of "virtual" displacements instead of actual displacements?

    what does the 'virtual displacement' really means and what is its physical significance??
 
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debasish panda said:
  1. Why is the D'Alembert's Principle

    ∑i(Fi−miai)⋅δri=0
    stated in terms of "virtual" displacements instead of actual displacements?

    what does the 'virtual displacement' really means and what is its physical significance??
The concept of virtual displacement is not immediate so you have to study it well in suitable texts/documents.
Here I want to give just a very simple example, which doesn't want to be comprehensive at all, but is useful (I think) to have at least some idea of the concept.
There is a point mass m which can move frictionless along an horizontal bar, in the direction x. The bar, which is the constraint for the point mass, can move vertically along direction y. So, the actual displacement of the point mass is along x and along y: dr = (dx,dy).
In this case the virtual displacement, instead, is the one only referred to the constraint: δr = (dx,0).

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debasish panda said:
  1. Why is the D'Alembert's Principle

    ∑i(Fi−miai)⋅δri=0
    stated in terms of "virtual" displacements instead of actual displacements?
Because in this way only active forces can be considered. Active forces are those forces which doesn't arise in order to make the particle follow the constraints (these last are constraint forces). In the simple example I made in my previous post, active forces are those which make the particle move along the bar (horizontal forces) while constraint forces are those directed vertically, which prevent the mass point to escape the bar. Usually the constraint is still, or it moves in a specific, given way, so the problem is much simpler to solve if it's focalized in finding how the points move in virtual displacement only. But there are also theoretical reasons to focalize on those displacements only, which will be more clear whe you will study lagrangian mechanics.
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lightarrow said:
Because in this way only active forces can be considered. Active forces are those forces which doesn't arise in order to make the particle follow the constraints (these last are constraint forces). In the simple example I made in my previous post, active forces are those which make the particle move along the bar (horizontal forces) while constraint forces are those directed vertically, which prevent the mass point to escape the bar. Usually the constraint is still, or it moves in a specific, given way, so the problem is much simpler to solve if it's focalized in finding how the points move in virtual displacement only. But there are also theoretical reasons to focalize on those displacements only, which will be more clear whe you will study lagrangian mechanics.
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