Virtual Particles: How They Work

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of virtual particles, their relationship to real particles, and the implications of quantum theory regarding their existence and behavior. Participants explore concepts related to superposition, the observability of virtual particles, and the factors influencing the duration a particle may exist as a combination of other particles.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Exploratory

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the interpretation of virtual particles as "real" and suggests that the claims in the Scientific American article may be incorrect.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction between virtual and real particles, asserting that virtual particles cannot be observed.
  • Some participants propose that virtual particles may not be "fake" but rather components of the standard model that have implications in quantum interactions.
  • A participant raises a question about the factors that determine how long a particle spends as a combination of other particles, suggesting that this may relate to the intrinsic properties of the particle or its energy state.
  • There is a mention of the Z boson and its mass discrepancy attributed to its interaction with virtual particles, prompting further inquiry into how this relationship is quantified.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature and existence of virtual particles, with no consensus reached on their characterization or the implications of their behavior in quantum theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential inaccuracies in the terminology used, such as the use of "time" in relation to virtual particles, indicating a need for clarification on the concepts involved.

asimov42
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Folks,

I have a question about virtual particles. I recently read in a Scientific American article which says that "virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested."

I assume, from the above, that by "spending time as a combination of other particles", the author means that every particle is in a superposition, with some chance of appearing as a combination of other (virtual) particles, which can't be observed because they're virtual? E.g. a photon sometimes splits into a virtual electron/positron pair, and then reforms the original photon...

So, assuming the above, my question is: what govern the amount of time / probability distribution for a particle appearing as other types of particles? Is it something intrinsic to the type of particle itself? Or does it have to do with the energy of the particle? For example, if I were to say, accelerate an electron by a significant amount, would that affect the amount of 'time' (for lack of a better word) that it spends as other, heavier particles?

Not sure if the above is very clear, but any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.
 
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asimov42 said:
I recently read in a Scientific American article which says that "virtual particles are indeed real particles. Quantum theory predicts that every particle spends some time as a combination of other particles in all possible ways. These predictions are very well understood and tested."
I think it is simply wrong.
 
Demystifier said:
I think it is simply wrong.

Seconded. Virtual particles and real particles are very easy to tell apart. You can't ever observe a virtual one...
 
Maybe they're saying that virtual particles are not literally "fake" particles, but other particles that are actually part of the standard model
 
Each virtual particle has its real conterpart, which can be detected.
 
The original article was making the point that virtual particles are not just used for bookkeeping, but do, in fact 'exist' (although they are unobservable).

I was wondering more about the amount of time one particle spends as a combination of other particles. E.g. (again from the article) the measured mass of the Z boson was slightly different that that predicted by the standard model, and this difference was later attributed to the time the Z spends as a virtual top quark. My question is, basically, what governs this relationship? I.e. how do we 'know' how much time the Z should spend as a virtual top quark etc.? (I think the use of the word time here might not be entirely accurate)

Thanks all.
 

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