Virtual work = 0 implies net torque = 0

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between virtual work and net torque in a rotational dynamics context. Participants explore the implications of virtual displacements and the conditions under which virtual work is zero.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants examine the equations for torque and virtual work, questioning how to properly express virtual displacements in relation to angular rotation. There are discussions on the implications of zero net force and net torque, and how these relate to equilibrium conditions.

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Several participants are actively engaging with the mathematical expressions and concepts, raising questions about the correctness of certain equations and the implications of the physical principles involved. There is a recognition of the complexity of the topic, with some guidance offered on the relationships between forces, torques, and virtual work.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the treatment of differential and finite quantities in the context of virtual displacements. There is also mention of the conditions under which forces can sum to zero while still allowing for non-zero net torque.

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## \vec \tau = \Sigma \vec r_i \times \vec F_i ##

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## \vec \tau = \Sigma \vec r_i \times \vec F_i ##

## \delta W = \Sigma F_i \delta x_i ##

Let's take our Cartesian coordinate system such that the axis of rotation becomes its z-axis.

Let's say that the body rotates through an angle ##\theta## so that the displacement ## \vec dx_i = \vec \theta \times \vec r_i ##.

Now, how to calculate virtual displacement?
 

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This is one that is outside of my area of expertise, but I think you can use a generalized type of coordinate and then write it as ## dW=\tau \, d \theta ## where ## \tau ## is a torque. In more detail, as vectors, it may read ## dW=\vec{\tau} \cdot d \vec{\theta} ## , where ## \vec{\theta }## is along the axis of rotation.
 
Pushoam said:
Let's say that the body rotates through an angle ##\theta## so that the displacement ## \vec dx_i = \vec \theta \times \vec r_i ##.
Now, how to calculate virtual displacement?
Your equation ## \vec dx_i = \vec \theta \times \vec r_i ## is essentially what you need. Imagine the particles of the body undergo virtual displacements corresponding to a virtual rotation ##\delta \theta \, \hat \theta## of the body. What is the corresponding virtual displacement ##\vec {\delta r_i}## of the ##i##th particle?

Note that the virtual work can be written as ##\delta W = \displaystyle \sum_{n=1}^N \vec {F_i} \cdot \vec {\delta r_i} ##
 
In writing dxi = theta x ri you are equating a differential quantity with a finite quantity. This cannot be correct.

Instead, write dx = d(theta) x ri, where ri is constant for for each particle.
 
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It is perhaps worth mentioning that the sum of the forces on a body or system can add to zero, and there can still be a net torque on the system. (For example, two forces of equal magnitude in opposite directions can both be applying a torque in the same direction). Thereby the system is then not at equilibrium, but can be undergoing a change in its angular momentum and rotational energy. The ## \delta W ## from any torques needs to be zero as well to have equilibrium.
 
Charles Link said:
It is perhaps worth mentioning that the sum of the forces on a body or system can add to zero, and there can still be a net torque on the system.

This is most certainly true.
 
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