Visual proof of being at altitude?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying visual proofs of being at high altitude, specifically around 10,000 feet above sea level. Participants explore various methods and ideas that could serve as evidence, touching on both practical measurements and photographic techniques.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest measuring the boiling temperature of water as a proof of altitude due to its dependence on atmospheric pressure.
  • Others propose measuring the angular size of a landmark of known size to determine altitude based on visual perspective.
  • One participant mentions using GPS readings as a straightforward method to indicate altitude.
  • There are suggestions to document coordinates or prominent landmarks and later reference contour maps to verify elevation.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the definition of "proof" and whether it pertains to photographic evidence or actual measurements taken at altitude.
  • A few participants discuss the potential for tampering with photographic evidence and the varying standards of proof among different viewers.
  • One idea presented is to fill a balloon at sea level and measure its diameter at altitude to demonstrate the effects of reduced atmospheric pressure.
  • Another suggestion includes taking a photo of boiling water with a thermometer to verify ambient air pressure as an indicator of altitude.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on what constitutes sufficient proof of altitude, with multiple competing views and methods proposed. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to visually demonstrate being at high altitude.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of clarity regarding the requirements for proof, with some emphasizing the need for rigorous evidence while others are more open to less formal methods. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of what constitutes valid proof in the context of altitude verification.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals exploring high-altitude hiking, photography enthusiasts looking for creative ways to document their experiences, or those curious about atmospheric science and its practical applications.

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Hi, this may seem like an odd questions to most of you but I'd still like to ask what could be some visual proofs of being at high altitude, say 10,000 feet above sea level.

While any said proof is not extremely rigorous or untamperable and probably little more than a showy capture to add to the usual "world below" photos, I couldn't come to ideas other than taking pictures of barometer readings or capillary oxygen saturation (by a finger oximeter).
What would you think could be some others?

Thank you

Allison
 
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You could measure the boiling temperature of water.
 
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You could measure the angular size of a landmark of known size.
This will give you the distance above the landmark.
 
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Alfreds9 said:
I couldn't come to ideas other than taking pictures of barometer readings
Then you could just show a GPS reading.
 
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Alfreds9 said:
Hi, this may seem like an odd questions to most of you but I'd still like to ask what could be some visual proofs of being at high altitude, say 10,000 feet above sea level.

It's not clear what you mean by 'proof', since it's possible to simulate altitude effects on the ground. Can you be a little more specific?
 
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fresh_42 said:
You could measure the boiling temperature of water.

That's simple enough and is pretty solid as proof, didn't think about this :)

nasu said:
You could measure the angular size of a landmark of known size.
This will give you the distance above the landmark.

Pretty neat, thanks.

A.T. said:
Then you could just show a GPS reading.

Thank you

Andy Resnick said:
It's not clear what you mean by 'proof', since it's possible to simulate altitude effects on the ground. Can you be a little more specific?

By proof I mean something which shows I'm altitude (not necessarily at X altitude, even just at X > 10000 height) and is not only a selfie photo of me with a canyon below :)
Really, I'm open to any suggestions, it's more a thing of mine rather than needing extremely rigorous proofs.
 
fresh_42 said:
You could measure the boiling temperature of water.

That might be a safety violation... :wideeyed:
 
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Fervent Freyja said:
That might be a safety violation... :wideeyed:

If you're on a plane, sure. There are plenty of high-elevation locations around the world though.
 
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Do it retrospectively . Note your ground coordinates or just take note of prominent landmark features . Go home and find a contour map of the area . Put yourself on the map . Read off your elevation .

Ideally find a walk through computer map with real image overlays but an ordinary large scale paper map will do the job .
 
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Maybe the OP could state the purpose in a more specific way.
Is it this about a photograph that you want to "test" or about someone actually being somewhere above ground and being able to do measuerement.
Post 6 mentions a photograph above a canyon.
 
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Fervent Freyja said:
That might be a safety violation... :wideeyed:

No problem, it will be outdoors, on solid rock :)

nasu said:
Maybe the OP could state the purpose in a more specific way.
Is it this about a photograph that you want to "test" or about someone actually being somewhere above ground and being able to do measuerement.
Post 6 mentions a photograph above a canyon.

I'll try to explain it clearer: I'd like to take a photo or video that can somehow testify (within its obvious limits and tampering possibilities) that I took that at altitude instead of sealevel.

Thank you :)
 
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Alfreds9 said:
No problem, it will be outdoors, on solid rock :)
I'll try to explain it clearer: I'd like to take a photo or video that can somehow testify (within its obvious limits and tampering possibilities) that I took that at altitude instead of sealevel.
Thank you :)
Then I don't see the problem. A picture of the ground taken from an airplane is quite obviously different from one taken from the ground.
How would you take a picture like this from the ground level?
http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/aerial488x343_977569.jpg

If you exclude tampering, of course. You can always draw it in Photoshop.
Or take a picture of a reduced model of a city or landscape.
 
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Alfreds9 said:
I'll try to explain it clearer: I'd like to take a photo or video that can somehow testify (within its obvious limits and tampering possibilities) that I took that at altitude instead of sealevel.
Different people looking at it may have different standards of proof - who are you trying to prove it to?
 
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nasu said:
Then I don't see the problem. A picture of the ground taken from an airplane is quite obviously different from one taken from the ground.
How would you take a picture like this from the ground level?
http://www.richmond.ca/__shared/assets/aerial488x343_977569.jpg

If you exclude tampering, of course. You can always draw it in Photoshop.
Or take a picture of a reduced model of a city or landscape.

Sorry I didn't get what you wanted to say, maybe I misunderstood? I'm not trying to proof that I'm not on plane but rather that I'm at 10,000 feet.

russ_watters said:
Different people looking at it may have different standards of proof - who are you trying to prove it to?

Mostly myself, but anything that could come handy as additional future proof of my hikes.
 
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Fill a balloon at sea level (1 atm). Take your balloon up to your elevation and measure the difference in diameter.
 
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Alfreds9 said:
Sorry I didn't get what you wanted to say, maybe I misunderstood? I'm not trying to proof that I'm not on plane but rather that I'm at 10,000 feet.
Mostly myself, but anything that could come handy as additional future proof of my hikes.

Yes, and a picture taken from 10,000 feet is so different from one taken from the ground that I cannot see the problem. It is obvious which one is which.
Being in an airplane is not relevant. I just said "taken from an airplane" as the most likely way to by at 10,000 feet.
Even though the passenger airplanes usually fly much higher, maybe 10,000 meters rather than feet.

You still did not explained clearly what is the problem you have in mind and posters are trying to guess your mind with their answers.
 
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At 3km, (10kfeet) the Oxygen level is sufficiently reduced to affect how breathless you get with vigorous exercise. Any higher and your brain function is also affected.
 
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Alfreds9 said:
No problem, it will be outdoors, on solid rock :)

Oh, in that case, an app installed on your cell phone might work- just use your regular camera to take the selfie while holding the phone up in the photo as well (while the altitude is displayed on the screen). http://appadvice.com/appguides/show/altimeter-elevation-apps

Post pics when you get them! :smile:
 
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IF it's a matter of photographic evidence, then a photo of a pan of boiling water with a thermometer in it would give good verification of the ambient air pressure (=altitude).
 
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please be careful in your quest and don't end up on one of these youtube compilations;
 

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