Voltage-divider and d'Arsonval voltmeter problem

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The discussion revolves around a voltage-divider circuit and the readings of a d'Arsonval voltmeter when placed across different components of the circuit. Participants explore calculations related to the voltmeter's readings across a voltage source and resistors, as well as the implications of using a real versus ideal voltmeter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the output voltage of the voltage-divider circuit is 100.8 V and questions if the voltmeter reading across the 126 V source would be 126 V.
  • Another participant confirms the answer for part (a) is correct and requests further work on parts (b) to (d), asking for the voltage divider equation.
  • A participant provides the voltage divider equation and calculates the output voltage across the 60 kohms resistor as 100.8 V.
  • There is a discussion about calculating the resistance of the d'Arsonval voltmeter based on its sensitivity and full-scale rating, with one participant affirming the calculation is correct.
  • Participants suggest drawing equivalent circuits to better understand the setup for parts (b) and (c).
  • One participant proposes using specific equations to calculate the current and voltage across the resistors, questioning if their approach is correct.
  • Another participant clarifies that the calculated voltage represents what an ideal meter would display, not the actual reading of the d'Arsonval voltmeter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the calculation for part (a) but express uncertainty regarding parts (b) to (d). There are competing views on how to approach the calculations and the implications of using a real versus ideal voltmeter.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the calculations for parts (b) to (d), and there are assumptions regarding the behavior of the voltmeter in the circuit that remain unexamined.

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The voltage-divider circuit is designed so that the no-load output voltage is 8/10ths of the input voltage. A d'Arsonval voltmeter having a sensitivity of 200 ohms/V and a full-scale rating of 150 V is used to check the operation of the circuit.
a) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 126 V source?
b) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 60 kohms resistor?
c) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 15 kohms resistor?
d) Will the voltmeter readings obtained in parts (b) and (c) add to the reading recorded in part (a)? Explain why or why not.

Output voltage is 100.8 V. About d'Arsonval voltmeter: using sensitivity and full-scale rating we can find resistance of the voltmeter? Than it is 30 kohms. I think in part (a) answer is 126 V, is it correct? Have some problems with parts (b)-(d). Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
 

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basket_case said:
The voltage-divider circuit is designed so that the no-load output voltage is 8/10ths of the input voltage. A d'Arsonval voltmeter having a sensitivity of 200 ohms/V and a full-scale rating of 150 V is used to check the operation of the circuit.
a) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 126 V source?
b) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 60 kohms resistor?
c) What will the voltmeter read if it is placed across the 15 kohms resistor?
d) Will the voltmeter readings obtained in parts (b) and (c) add to the reading recorded in part (a)? Explain why or why not.

Output voltage is 100.8 V. About d'Arsonval voltmeter: using sensitivity and full-scale rating we can find resistance of the voltmeter? Than it is 30 kohms. I think in part (a) answer is 126 V, is it correct? Have some problems with parts (b)-(d). Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Your answer for (a) is correct. Please show us your work on the rest of the parts of the problem. What is the equation for a Voltage Divider?
 
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berkeman said:
Your answer for (a) is correct. Please show us your work on the rest of the parts of the problem. What is the equation for a Voltage Divider?
Voltage divider equation: Uout = Uin * R2 / (R1 + R2). And for my problem Uout = 126 V * 60 kohms / (60 kohms + 15 kohms) = 100.8 V.
 
Your comment about calculating the meter resistance is correct.

Try drawing the equivalent circuit for the set up in b)
 
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CWatters said:
Your comment about calculating the meter resistance is correct.

Try drawing the equivalent circuit for the set up in b)
Here it is.
 

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OK now replace the real world volt meter with an ideal meter and a resistor
 
CWatters said:
OK now replace the real world volt meter with an ideal meter and a resistor
Can I use this equations: U2 = I * R;
I = Uin/(R1 + R2)?
I = 126 V / (15 kohms + 60 kohms) = 1.68 mA; U2 = 1.68 mA * 60 kohms = 100.8 V. Is that correct?
 
Thats the voltage that an ideal meter would display not the voltage this meter would display. See my post #7.
 

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