Voltage divider - Looking for a reference with respect to Vout resistnce

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the practical considerations of using a voltage divider, specifically focusing on the resistance required at the output (Vout) to ensure accurate voltage measurements. Participants explore the implications of load resistance on the voltage divider's performance, including error calculations and the definitions of load and no load in electrical terms.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the necessary resistance at Vout for proper voltage divider usage and seeks official references.
  • Another participant suggests that the required resistance depends on the accuracy needed, indicating that if the load resistance is significantly higher than the divider's resistance, the error will be minimal.
  • There is a discussion on the concept of "no load," with some arguing that it implies infinite resistance, while others contest this definition, suggesting it means no current flows through the load.
  • Participants mention that the acceptable error in voltage measurements can vary based on application, with some suggesting a rule of thumb of 2% to 5% error in engineering practices.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of mathematical calculations in understanding voltage dividers, suggesting that practical experience is necessary for grasping the concepts involved.
  • There is a debate about the terminology used in electrical engineering, particularly regarding the definitions of load and no load, with differing opinions on their implications for current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions of load and no load, as well as the implications for current flow and resistance. There is no consensus on the exact resistance required at Vout or the acceptable error margins, indicating multiple competing perspectives remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge that the accuracy of voltage measurements is context-dependent and that various factors, such as application requirements and load conditions, influence the discussion. There are unresolved mathematical steps and assumptions regarding the definitions of electrical terms.

  • #31
lol! Whoopsie! My bad.

I see it now.

So you are describing multiplying two sinusoidal functions and taking the area under the curve. You are saying then the area under the curve will always be zero unless the frequencies are identical?

Is this better? If so I will ask more questions.
 
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  • #32
DragonPetter said:
I think convolution is easier to understand if you consider it in the discrete(digital) version, and do some real examples.

Fantastic. Great.

Throw in your two cents as well oh master. Explain. Go ahead.
 
  • #33
psparky said:
Fantastic. Great.

Throw in your two cents as well oh master. Explain. Go ahead.

Hahaha, I am definitely not a master of convolution. I just remember sitting in class and seeing the discrete example. I thought it made more sense than flipping a waveform and then overlapping through another waveform.

There's what I'm talking about:


Edit: Doesn't that seem simpler than trying to use integrals?
 
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  • #34
Oh and to your question of why we use it. There are lots of reasons, but a cool property I can think of is that the waveform you get out of convolving a system's response to an impulse function gives you the entire description of that system.
 
  • #35
thanks I've bookmarked that DSP link.

In early 70's some professors with research money came to my plant and studied process signals to end of developing diagnostic tools.
FFT was new then and they carried a DEC PDP11 for their measurements.

As a young engineer i was astonished at the information they could glean.
They measured flow rates, movement and natural frequencies of reactor core barrel(it's a giant pendulum), sensor response times, ... They used terms like Cross-Power Spectral Density, Coherence , Convolution, and were kind enough to explain to me the very basics of what they meant.

Later i built an instrument to measure torsion in main turbine shaft .
We captured an electrical trip of generator which is an impulse unloading of the shaft as Dr-petter mentioned. It confirmed 7 hz fundamental natural frequency and several other minor ones.
But all i did was gather raw data for the turbine manufacturer (who was quite appreciative - he doesn't have a huge steam supply for such testing).

Hence my reverence for higher math
and my empathy for those (like me) who just aren't equipped for it.

But i digress.

Whole point was Thanks for DSP link - I'll read it !
 
  • #36
DragonPetter said:
Oh and to your question of why we use it. There are lots of reasons, but a cool property I can think of is that the waveform you get out of convolving a system's response to an impulse function gives you the entire description of that system.

Now you're talkin...
 

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