Voltage gain of an emitter follower (BJT Common-Collector)

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The discussion revolves around the voltage gain of an emitter follower configuration in a BJT common-collector setup. Participants explore the relationship between voltage gain and frequency, particularly considering the effects of internal capacitances of the BJT on the gain calculation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for voltage gain, \$A_v=\frac{r_o|| R_L}{(r_o|| R_L)+r_e}\$, and notes that it does not account for internal capacitances.
  • Another participant suggests investigating depletion and diffusion capacitance, and refers to typical datasheet values for input and output capacitance.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the information and seeks guidance on how to proceed after finding capacitance values in the datasheet.
  • Another reply recommends incorporating the capacitances into the small signal model and re-analyzing the circuit to obtain a new transfer function that reflects frequency effects.
  • One participant mentions that the book initially analyzes BJT amplifiers without internal capacitances and later discusses high-frequency models without providing a voltage gain formula for the emitter follower.
  • A later reply indicates that a hybrid-π model is preferred for high-frequency analysis and suggests incorporating capacitances into this model for further analysis.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the voltage gain formula that includes internal capacitances, and multiple approaches to modeling the emitter follower are discussed without resolution.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of incorporating internal capacitances into the voltage gain analysis and the reliance on different models (T-model vs. hybrid-π model) depending on frequency considerations.

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Homework Statement


I'm trying to find a relation for the voltage gain of an emitter follower.

For an emitter follower the voltage gain is given by \$A_v=\frac{r_o|| R_L}{(r_o|| R_L)+r_e}\$, where \$r_o\$ is the output resistance of the transistor and \$r_e\$ is the intrinsic resistance of the emitter. This result is obtained without considering internal capacitances of the BJT.

What should I obtain, if I do a graphic (modulus and phase) with the response of the amplifier to the frequency?


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The Attempt at a Solution


The formula that I have written on the top gives me only one value... so I think that I have to use one that depends on frequency, (and so in this formula have to "appear" the internal capacitances of the BJT) but I don't know how I can obtain it...
If I have correctly understood, the emitter follower needs to the T-model for small signal, but I have seen the internal capacitances only for a hybrid-pi model and for high-frequency. So I don't know how to go on. If you can help me, I'll be so grateful!
 
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You'll want to investigate Depletion Capacitance and Diffusion Capacitance in conjunction with BJT's.

Datasheets will specify Input capacitance (variously CTE or Cib or Cibo)and Output capacitance (Cob, Cobo) . Look up a typical datasheet to see (the 2n2222 is pretty common). Values are generally small, on the order of a few pF for discrete transistors.
 
So many thanks for your answer, gneill!

In the datasheet I have found the values of Input capacitance and Output capacitance. And now what do I have to do?
 
bznm said:
So many thanks for your answer, gneill!

In the datasheet I have found the values of Input capacitance and Output capacitance. And now what do I have to do?

You'll want to incorporate them into your small signal model for the transistor and re-analyze the circuit to obtain the transfer function.

This presumes that the goal is to see the effects of frequency on a more accurately modeled emitter follower. Is that the case, or do you simply need to recognize that the simple model without capacitances is unaffected by frequency?
 
I've just started to study this argument. The book starts analysing the BJT amplifiers without internal capacitance and, for the emitter follower, gets the formula of voltage gain that I have written on the top.
Then it analyses the BJT internal capacitances and the high-frequency model of a BJT common emitter, but it says nothing about the voltage gain.
I'd like to obtain the formula of the voltage gain for the emitter follower, considering the internal capacitances...
 
If I recall correctly, a hybrid-##\pi## model is preferred for high frequency work. Apparently its basic parameters are relatively independent of frequency over a wide range. So you'll have to incorporate the given capacitances into the hybrid-##\pi## model and do the analysis.

I think that if you do a web search on "high frequency hybrid-pi" you'll turn up some relevant information to get you going.
 

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