News Vote Now: Polls Open in Eastern USA

[turbo]

There are reports that a Deerfield Beach (FL) polling place in a black neighborhood had hundreds of voters in line, with only ONE voting machine. Later in the day, 7 more machines were delivered. Right now, the reports are hitting the blogosphere, so I can't post links, but the major media ought to be picking this stuff up.

 

[LowlyPion]

People in their 40s who have never voted before but decide to vote today to keep a black man out of office.

I think you are talking about people that are worried for their jobs. If they have any dog in the fight it's not their race, it's their jobs and I seriously doubt that anyone but a Fortune 500 CEO is thinking McCain will be good for their job.

 

[Flat]

I seriously doubt that anyone but a Fortune 500 CEO is thinking McCain will be good for their job.

A private contractor for the military?

 

[drankin]

How would McCain be bad for our jobs?

 

[Evo]

How would McCain be bad for our jobs?

Have you not noticed the economy lately? Businesses closing? People getting laid off?

 

[drankin]

Have you not noticed the economy lately? Businesses closing? People getting laid off?

What's that got to do with McCain? That certainly does not answer my question.

 

[Cyrus]

Good news, My state is doing away with the Die-Bold scam, I mean voting machines after this election and going back to paper.

 

[LowlyPion]

How would McCain be bad for our jobs?

We need fiscal responsibility and despite McCain's big talk about cutting expenses - he can't - and adherence to trickle down economics - we can see it doesn't work - and his life long devotion to deregulation that only guarantees further abuse with another crisis in healthcare on the launching pad with his idiotic privatizations and another crisis building as he extends his ideas to Social Security.

All in all I'd say his proposed policies are a toxic brew of ill thought out schemes designed not to solve any problem other than to get him elected. Any further weakening of the economy by someone erratic like McCain will of course not be good for jobs.

 

[john16O]

We need fiscal responsibility and despite McCain's big talk about cutting expenses - he can't - and adherence to trickle down economics - we can see it doesn't work - and his life long devotion to deregulation that only guarantees further abuse with another crisis in healthcare on the launching pad with his idiotic privatizations and another crisis building as he extends his ideas to Social Security.

All in all I'd say his proposed policies are a toxic brew of ill thought out schemes designed not to solve any problem other than to get him elected. Any further weakening of the economy by someone erratic like McCain will of course not be good for jobs.

yeah so let's spread the wealth!..uh no! Let's say you make straight As in college and I make straight Ds. Let's Average them out and well both get Cs? Same idea as obamas' economic policy. Socialism. I work hard and go to college and study my butt of so that way I DON'T make as much money as someone who is contributing nothing to society. If you want this, than move to Sweden where everyone is on an equal scale..lol

 

[drankin]

We need fiscal responsibility and despite McCain's big talk about cutting expenses - he can't - and adherence to trickle down economics - we can see it doesn't work - and his life long devotion to deregulation that only guarantees further abuse with another crisis in healthcare on the launching pad with his idiotic privatizations and another crisis building as he extends his ideas to Social Security.

All in all I'd say his proposed policies are a toxic brew of ill thought out schemes designed not to solve any problem other than to get him elected. Any further weakening of the economy by someone erratic like McCain will of course not be good for jobs.

At least this is an answer, even if only an unsupported opinion.

 

[LowlyPion]

yeah so let's spread the wealth!..uh no! Let's say you make straight As in college and I make straight Ds. Let's Average them out and well both get Cs? Same idea as obamas' economic policy. Socialism. I work hard and go to college and study my butt of so that way I DON'T make as much money as someone who is contributing nothing to society. If you want this, than move to Sweden where everyone is on an equal scale..lol

You only work for money?

 

[Evo]

yeah so let's spread the wealth!..uh no! Let's say you make straight As in college and I make straight Ds. Let's Average them out and well both get Cs? Same idea as obamas' economic policy. Socialism. I work hard and go to college and study my butt of so that way I DON'T make as much money as someone who is contributing nothing to society. If you want this, than move to Sweden where everyone is on an equal scale..lol

Do you actually think Obama is going to take part of your paycheck and give it to someone else?

 

[drankin]

Do you actually think Obama is going to take part of your paycheck and give it to someone else?

He already said as much to Joe the Plumber.

 

[john16O]

You only work for money?

If i did not work for money I guess I wouldn't have a problem with someone favoring my economic class would I? But I do work for money and I do have a problem with someone taxing me heavier...lol never said I ONLY work for money...

 

[chasely]

He already said as much to Joe the Plumber.

It's a 3% increase on every dollar made over $250,000, which means under Obama you'll pay 30 dollars more taxes on every 1,000 dollars you make over $250,000. It doesn't seem that bad (at least in my opinion).

In other news...Facebook votes up to 3.25 million.

EDIT: Shouldn't this convo be in the "election 2008" thread?

 

[john16O]

Do you actually think Obama is going to take part of your paycheck and give it to someone else?

No, not directly...

 

[drankin]

It's a 3% increase on every dollar made over $250,000, which means under Obama you'll pay 30 dollars more taxes on every 1,000 dollars you make over $250,000. It doesn't seem that bad (at least in my opinion).

In other news...Facebook votes up to 3.25 million.

EDIT: Shouldn't this convo be in the "election 2008" thread?

What is the purpose of these extra taxes? Doesn't our government tax us enough?? Why do we want to give more of our hard earned money to the government?

 

[LightbulbSun]

Progressive taxation is just common sense, and this is what this country needs to implement.

 

[LowlyPion]

What is the purpose of these extra taxes? Doesn't our government tax us enough?? Why do we want to give more of our hard earned money to the government?

Who's paying for the wars?

Visa?

 

[Evo]

He already said as much to Joe the Plumber.

And you know that guy was totally bogus.

It's a 3% increase on every dollar made over $250,000, which means under Obama you'll pay 30 dollars more taxes on every 1,000 dollars you make over $250,000. It doesn't seem that bad (at least in my opinion).

Don't forget that people don't pay the 6.2% Social Security tax on income over $102,000, so they are paying less than those making under $102,000. Never mind tax shelters and loopholes the wealthy have to keep part of their income from being taxed.

 

[john16O]

Who's paying for the wars?

Visa?

lol, actually last time i checked we were borrowing money from china to finance the war over in iraq!

 

[drankin]

I think you guys are missing the point. For one, our tax system IS ALREADY PROGRESSIVE.

So far, what I'm hearing is that it's ok to take OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. And for no damn reason! Did Obama give us a reason? Yes, "to spread the wealth around". Basically take someone who earned more money and give to those that didn't earn as much. Regardless of the reason. It's the a bogus concept. All it does is say it's ok for the government to take more of our money.

 

[Cyrus]

What is the purpose of these extra taxes? Doesn't our government tax us enough?? Why do we want to give more of our hard earned money to the government?

Hilarious. Because you make over $250k a year and have to worry about this.

Bill Maher is great on this. He said Joe the plumber is worried about this fantasy money he's going to be taxed on that he doesn't even have! A plumber does not make over $250k a year. Give me a breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...man.

If 90% of the people won't be affected, that's not spreading any of your 'average joes' wealth anywhere.

Here it is!


Greattt clip.

 

[john16O]

Hilarious. Because you make over $250k a year and have to worry about this.

Bill Maher is great on this. He said Joe the plumber is worried about this fantasy money he's going to be taxed on that he doesn't even have! A plumber does not make over $250k a year. Give me a breakkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk...man.

If 90% of the people won't be affected, that's not spreading any of your 'average joes' wealth anywhere.

so you are saying that it is OK to take someone else's money who work hard for it. And your are justifying it by saying that it is OK because it does not affect the majority of the people?..

 

[Cyrus]

so you are saying that it is OK to take someone else's money who work hard for it. And your are justifying it by saying that it is OK because it does not affect the majority of the people?..

Buddy, a person making over $250k a year can well afford to pay higher taxes for the common good of 90% of the society and still live a very very good life as the top 1% of the nation.

I didnt know you were so worried about your fantasy millions of dollars in your fantasy bank account Obama is going to raise...woooooooooooooooooooooo...back to pre-existing tax rates.

So was the USA a socialist country when we HAD these tax rates? Or are we simply making up BS excuses.


It does not matter who you pick, if you watch the news all the people say BOTH are going to have to increase taxes and cut programs because of the rising national debt. If you think McCain isn't also going to raise your taxes, I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[john16O]

lol buddy? ok...anywho, I am more worried about the precedent...if you can tax someone making 250k a year what is stopping obama from taxing someone making 100k a year?mmmkk pumpkin...

 

[LowlyPion]

so you are saying that it is OK to take someone else's money who work hard for it. And your are justifying it by saying that it is OK because it does not affect the majority of the people?..

Are you saying that you are against the 16 Amendment to the Constitution?

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxvi.html

 

[Cyrus]

lol buddy? ok...anywho, I am more worried about the precedent...if you can tax someone making 250k a year what is stopping obama from taxing someone making 100k a year?mmmkk pumpkin...

Its called the congress, GUY.


I didnt know you were so worried about people making over $250k a year. Do you know many? Do you really think going back to the 90s tax rate is going to affect their lifestyle?

 

[john16O]

lol...please read...

http://www.rushonline.com/visitors/16thamendment.htm

 

[Astronuc]

so you are saying that it is OK to take someone else's money who work hard for it. And your are justifying it by saying that it is OK because it does not affect the majority of the people?..

I doubt people making over $250K work 'hard' for it. They do deals. They gamble on Wall Street. The guy making $250 K, or $2 million, or $2 billion, does not work any harder than the guy digging ditches for minimum wage.

At over $250K, it means that one's income is coming from others' work.

 

[Cyrus]

lol...please read...

http://www.rushonline.com/visitors/16thamendment.htm

A link from a pill popper. HAHAHAHAH...wow.

This is the same guy who said colin powell supports Obama because he's "black".

Great source.

 

[LowlyPion]

lol...please read...

http://www.rushonline.com/visitors/16thamendment.htm

I'm sure you will excuse me if I don't exactly treat the information you cite from Rush Limbaugh as having anything but entertainment value.

I think you would do better to stick to credible sources.

But at least I'm no longer laboring under any possible illusions as to where you are coming from.

 

[john16O]

Its called the congress, GUY.


I didnt know you were so worried about people making over $250k a year. Do you know many? Do you really think going back to the 90s tax rate is going to affect their lifestyle?

Democrats hold a majority in the house and senate with a potential to have enough power to filibuster if this election pans out in their favor. If obama is elected, there is not going to be must protest in Congress to what he wants to get done. Look a Bill Clinton. When he had a majority democratic congress he was able to have is way. Than once republicans took majority he could not get squat passed...

 

[drankin]

Buddy, a person making over $250k a year can well afford to pay higher taxes for the common good of 90% of the society and still live a very very good life as the top 1% of the nation.

I didnt know you were so worried about your fantasy millions of dollars in your fantasy bank account Obama is going to raise...woooooooooooooooooooooo...back to pre-existing tax rates.

So was the USA a socialist country when we HAD these tax rates? Or are we simply making up BS excuses.

There is no reason to tax our EMPLOYERS more! Don't you get that? Those who make that kind of money are typically small business owners (I'm excluding doctors and lawyers). Folks who often worked for nothing for years to build their businesses up. Taxing them more is not encouraging entrepreneural activity, which was a significant reason the US has been so successful in the world market. The costs will "trickle down" to the working class.

It's not a fantasy to become a millionaire if one wants to pursue his own business. That's rather condescending towards those who take the risk to grow their businesses. An attitude like yours guarantees failure if you are an entrepreneur.

 

[Cyrus]

Democrats hold a majority in the house and senate with a potential to have enough power to filibuster if this election pans out in their favor. If obama is elected, there is not going to be must protest in Congress to what he wants to get done. Look a Bill Clinton. When he had a majority democratic congress he was able to have is way. Than once republicans took majority he could not get squat passed...

Ok, allow me to make this clear. (1) he's not going to tax your pretend millions of dollars.

(2) The economy is in the toilet. If they try to tax the average joe (thats you and me by the way), people are going to be in an uproar.

So let's be a *little* realistic here.

 

[LowlyPion]

Look a Bill Clinton. When he had a majority democratic congress he was able to have is way.

And this was bad for jobs and the economy was it?

 

[Cyrus]

There is no reason to tax our EMPLOYERS more! Don't you get that? Those who make that kind of money are typically small business owners (I'm excluding doctors and lawyers). Folks who often worked for nothing for years to build their businesses up. Taxing them more is not encouraging entrepreneural activity, which was a significant reason the US has been so successful in the world market. The costs will "trickle down" to the working class.

It's not a fantasy to become a millionaire if one wants to pursue his own business. That's rather condescending towards those who take the risk to grow their businesses. An attitude like yours guarantees failure if you are an entrepreneur.

My parents are small business owners. They don't make that kind of money. When the business was really good they were making upwards of $150k in the mid 90s (which was a lot of money). If you think they make over 250k you live in a dream world.

Also, small businesses are not global players. Why does that make the US sucessful in a world market? Its large companies that do global selling. Ford, GM, Boeing, Intel...

If you think a plumber makes 250k......I suggest you think twice.

 

[Jimmy Snyder]

There were no long lines when I got to the polling place. In fact there was no one there at all. It took me a while to figure out that the flier telling me that voting would take place at the city dump was probably wrong, so I went to the polling place I used last time. The situation was not much better, but at least there was someone there to record my vote. Like that other guy, I checked my ballot four times to make sure that I hadn't voted for the wrong candidate. Then, not to be outdone, I checked it a fifth time. Better yet, I checked it once to make sure that I did vote for the right one. Good thing too.

I didn't want to vote for McCain because of that Palin woman. She panders to people who are envious of the educated. Neither did I want to vote for Obama, who panders to people who are envious of the rich. And I didn't want to vote for the lesser of two evils either. So I didn't.

 

[Ben Niehoff]

I just voted for Obama. So did most other people in line, I presume (I live in a mostly black neighborhood).

Altogether it took an hour and a half.

 

[jtbell]

Look a Bill Clinton. When he had a majority democratic congress he was able to have is way.

You mean like with the "Hillarycare" health insurance program?

Democrats have a tendency to stand in a circle and shoot at each other.

 

[turbo]

There were no long lines when I got to the polling place. In fact there was no one there at all. It took me a while to figure out that the flier telling me that voting would take place at the city dump was probably wrong, so I went to the polling place I used last time. The situation was not much better, but at least there was someone there to record my vote. Like that other guy, I checked my ballot four times to make sure that I hadn't voted for the wrong candidate. Then, not to be outdone, I checked it a fifth time. Better yet, I checked it once to make sure that I did vote for the right one. Good thing too.

I didn't want to vote for McCain because of that Palin woman. She panders to people who are envious of the educated. Neither did I want to vote for Obama, who panders to people who are envious of the rich. And I didn't want to vote for the lesser of two evils either. So I didn't.

Ralph Nader thanks you.

 

[john16O]

Ok, allow me to make this clear. (1) he's not going to tax your pretend millions of dollars.

(2) The economy is in the toilet. If they try to tax the average joe (thats you and me by the way), people are going to be in an uproar.

So let's be a *little* realistic here.

lol you keep saying "pretend millions of dollars"...You do not have to make a million dollars to be considered middle-upper class. Anyone with a six-figure salary will be affected my obamas' policies..and yes, I know A LOT of people who are making 6 figure salaries. In today's society that is not something that is totally uncommon.

 

[LowlyPion]

Ralph Nader thanks you.

Maybe he voted the Libertine candidate?

Oh wait. Clinton has already served 2 terms.

 

[Janus]

I love the voting system here in Oregon. Vote by mail is fantastic.

So do I. You get your ballot, sit down in the comfort of your own home, with a cup of coffee, and take your time.

 

[john16O]

And this was bad for jobs and the economy was it?

cannot argue with that..

 

[Cyrus]

He already said as much to Joe the Plumber.

Wait, you mean that fantasy $250k in your fantasy bank account?

Admit it, you won't be taxed at all. So stop playing games.

 

[drankin]

There were no long lines when I got to the polling place. In fact there was no one there at all. It took me a while to figure out that the flier telling me that voting would take place at the city dump was probably wrong, so I went to the polling place I used last time. The situation was not much better, but at least there was someone there to record my vote. Like that other guy, I checked my ballot four times to make sure that I hadn't voted for the wrong candidate. Then, not to be outdone, I checked it a fifth time. Better yet, I checked it once to make sure that I did vote for the right one. Good thing too.

I didn't want to vote for McCain because of that Palin woman. She panders to people who are envious of the educated. Neither did I want to vote for Obama, who panders to people who are envious of the rich. And I didn't want to vote for the lesser of two evils either. So I didn't.

^^ Good post! ^^ There is no disagreeing with you. Though I did vote for a lesser of to evils to the best of my estimation.

 

[Evo]

Inidiana's poll closes in 10 minutes.

 

[Cyrus]

lol you keep saying "pretend millions of dollars"...You do not have to make a million dollars to be considered middle-upper class. Anyone with a six-figure salary will be affected my obamas' policies..and yes, I know A LOT of people who are making 6 figure salaries. In today's society that is not something that is totally uncommon.

$250k is not upper middle class. %250k is the top 1% of the entire population.


249k, is six figures. Its not >=250k. So not "anyone" making six figure will be affected.

I didnt ask you if you know people making 'six figures'. I said do you know anyone making more than $250k.

 

[drankin]

Wait, you mean that fantasy $250k in your fantasy bank account?

Admit it, you won't be taxed at all. So stop playing games.

Cyrus, we're not playing games. You haven't convinced my why we should tax anyone more, even if it is only those who make 250+. It sounds a lot like ENVY TAX to me.