VTOL RC Airplane Tricopter COG, Liftoff Weight Calculations

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The discussion revolves around the design and calculations necessary for building a VTOL RC airplane, specifically a tricopter. Participants explore various aspects such as wingspan, weight calculations, motor placement, and flight efficiency, with a focus on both theoretical and practical considerations in aerodynamics and model aircraft design.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about calculating the minimum wingspan, wing shape, and wing area needed to support a payload of approximately 1.2kg, considering the body weight of the aircraft to be around 800g to 1kg.
  • The same participant seeks guidance on how to determine the placement of the two front motors relative to the rear motor for effective yaw control during hover and forward flight.
  • There is a request for methods to calculate the ideal motor KV and size based on the aircraft's specifications, as well as how to estimate flight time, distance, and efficiency using a 12,000mAh battery.
  • Another participant suggests that the questions are too broad and recommends a book on aerodynamics that covers relevant topics such as lift, drag, thrust, and stability.
  • Additional book recommendations are provided, emphasizing the importance of understanding aerodynamics and model aircraft design.
  • One participant notes the complexity of designing a tilting mechanism for the aircraft, highlighting the need for digital controls to manage transitions between different flight modes.
  • Resources for consulting expert modelers are shared, along with a mention of new FAA regulations affecting RC model flying in the USA.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need for foundational knowledge in aerodynamics and model design, but there is no consensus on specific calculations or design approaches. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best methods for achieving the design goals outlined by the original poster.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of experience and knowledge, indicating that some foundational assumptions about aerodynamics and RC aircraft design may not be universally understood. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical or technical details necessary for the calculations requested.

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Hello,

I am interested in making an RC plane as illustrated. Some questions:

1. Given that the build material of the plane will be 3d printed out of PLA and I want the wingspan to be between 1.2m - 1.35m ideally. How can I calculate the minimum wingspan/wing shape/wing area to carry a payload of approximately 1.2kg?

I would estimate that the body of the aircraft will weigh about 800g - 1kg including motors and tilt rotor mechanisms.

2. How can I calculate the placement of the two motors in the front relative to the rear motor for yaw? It has to be for hover mode, and forward flight. (ie: distance between front two motors, distance between front two motors and rear motor based on center of gravity)

3. How can I calculate the ideal motor kv and size based on the above? Then once I choose the right motor, how can I calculate the flight time/distance/efficiency based on 12,000Mah?The purpose of the aircraft is for FPV, long range, and VTOL with a stable hover mode.
 

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Your questions are too broad to answer here. You need a book on the subject.

I have a first edition copy of Aerodynamics, Aeronautics, and Flight Mechanics by McCormick. It has good coverage of conventional fixed wing aircraft. The second edition is available from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/dp/8126523786/?tag=pfamazon01-20. The cover photo shows a tilt rotor aircraft. That book might meet your needs because it covers lift, drag, thrust, propellers, performance, and stability around all three axes. Searching aerodynamics on Amazon will find other books on the subject.

I bought this book back when I had the idea of designing and building my own airplane. I read the book and decided to do something else.
 
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Welcome!
I recommend these books:
Model Aircraft Aerodynamics by Martin Simons

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1854862707/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Basics of RC Model Aircraft Design by Andy Lennon

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0911295402/?tag=pfamazon01-20

Learning to safely fly a rc aircraft takes some time.
Designing and building a model that can properly fly is not too difficult, unless you have zero experience doing it.
The tilting is the difficult part.

It takes a great deal of digital controls to make it work in full scale airplanes.
The machine must smoothly transition within a range which extremes are flying hanging on the blades (like a helicopter or drone) and flying hanging on the wings (like a glider or regular airplane), all while keeping a perfect balance.

You could also consult expert modelers in these sites:

https://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/index.php

Then, there are new regulations from the FAA for legally flying rc models in USA.

 
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