Want to set up a constant magnetic field to do experiments under

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around setting up a constant magnetic field for experiments related to concrete curing, specifically using a coil magnet design. Participants explore the feasibility of using a Helmholtz coil and the implications of magnetic induction on the concrete's properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Experimental/applied

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests wrapping wire around the container for the concrete and connecting it to a power source to create a magnetic field.
  • Another mentions that low strength magnetic fields can be achieved with a Helmholtz coil, referencing external resources for further details.
  • A participant raises concerns about the induction required for effective results, noting that achieving 1T may necessitate an iron core and specific design considerations.
  • One participant proposes using iron sand in the concrete mix as a potential substitute for an iron core to enhance magnetic properties.
  • There is a discussion about the power supply specifications, including current load and resistance calculations, with questions about whether to add a resistor to manage current levels.
  • A participant questions the duration for which the magnetic field needs to be maintained and emphasizes the importance of current management to prevent overheating of the wires.
  • Another participant expresses confusion regarding the magnetic induction needed and suggests that the proposed electromagnetic design may be impractical.
  • One participant mentions the goal of aligning titanomagnetite particles within the concrete to create a directional microstructure, indicating the need for viscosity calculations to determine the appropriate time for the magnetic field application.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement on the feasibility and design of the magnetic field setup. There is no consensus on the specific induction requirements or the practicality of the proposed designs.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding the necessary magnetic induction levels, the implications of using iron sand, and the technical specifications of the electromagnet design.

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Hiya,

So I want to do some experiments with concrete curing under a magnetic field.

The samples would need to be approximately a 2" diameter tube maybe 8" long.

I'm not that aware of how a magnetic field would behave any more, been awhile since I did any physics outside of classical mechanics.

any way..

was thinking I could essentially make a coil magnet like this:

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having the concrete setting within the coil?
 
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That's what I'd try ... you'd basically be wrapping wire around whatever the concrete is sitting in and hooking it to a power source.
 
Evan, fairly low strength fields can be developed with a Helmholtz coil. You can find details under Wikipedia.
 
thanks :)
 
Helmholtz, sure... BUT what induction is needed? With an air coil and a pair of watt you get 1mT. For 1T (provided 1T has any effect on concrete...) it needs other means, especially an iron core and the proper design around it, and for >2T you've lost because the iron core doesn't help.
 
The concrete will be made with iron sand. Maybe that will provide something analogous to an iron core.
I was thinking of using a computer power supply, on the 12V rail.

Bit confused as what to do about the amp load. The power supply has maybe 15A? on that rail.

I have some 0.63mm enamel coated copper wire, not sure how much of it I have..rough calculation of two 8m lengths. This will provide about 0.8 ohms of resistance.

If I were to hook that straight up, that's 15A right there, pushing it really.

Would I add a resistor to that to cut down the current?
 
How long do you need to hold the field?
The design of electromagnet is mostly about how much current you can pass through the wires without melting them down.
 
Again, what induction? Most electromagnetic designs are impossible, yours seem to belong to this category.
 
I..don't really understand.

I want the titanomagnetite particles to align to the field...hopefully creating directional microstructure

It wouldn't need to be too long, will have to do some viscosity calculations to see how long it will take
 

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