Was my professor right to count me off?

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The discussion revolves around a math quiz where the original poster was penalized for their approach to finding the derivative of a function using the limit definition. The function in question is f(x) = -16x^2 + 20x, and the poster believes their final answer was correct, but they were marked down for a specific step involving arithmetic manipulation.

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  • Participants discuss the appropriateness of the original poster's method of dividing by h instead of factoring it out first. Some express surprise at the penalty given for this approach, while others suggest that the professor may have specific expectations regarding the steps shown in the work.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants offering differing perspectives on the necessity of showing certain steps in the calculation. Some suggest that the professor's requirement may be excessive for a calculus course, while others acknowledge the importance of demonstrating algebraic rigor.

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There is mention of potential expectations set by the professor regarding the level of detail required in showing work, as well as the possibility that the original poster may not have been explicitly instructed to include the factoring step.

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I recently was counted off during a math quiz stating that I made a mistake in my arithmetic regarding the derivative of a function using the limit approach. (The long way with the lim h->0)

The equation was f(x) = -16x^2 + 20x and I was suppose to find f'(x) using the limit approach


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I am very sure I did everything right since my final answer was -32x + 20 but during my work there was one step he counted me off 1 letter grade for.

Doing the work you get down to a step that looks like this:

(-32xh - 16h^2 + 20h)/h

At this point I divided each term by h to get -32x -16h + 20 where I plugged in 0 for h.

However this was incorrect, it was apparently algebraically wrong as I was suppose to factor out an h from each term and then divide by h. I have always been taught to divide by h and assumed this was is an acceptable way to do it.

Was it any wrong to lose credit for dividing by h instead of factoring and then dividing? If not, can anyone explain and I can maybe send this to my professor to get some credit back.



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I honestly couldn't imagine anyone taking off points for that, unless you were told specifically to include that step (in which case I don't think you'd have much of an argument).

I encourage students to factor and then cancel because so many write something like [tex]\frac{xh + 6}{3h} = \frac{x+6}{3}[/tex]. So I tell them that unless you can factor it out of every term, you can't cancel it. However, I wouldn't expect them to write that step if they were mathematically mature enough to see it themselves. The same way I wouldn't expect someone to say [tex]\frac{12}{20} = \frac{3*4}{4*5} = \frac{3}{5}[/tex] after they got out of elementary school.

I would definitely ask about it. However if you're asked to show working, I suppose your teacher is able to decide how much work he wants to see.
 
mathie.girl said:
I honestly couldn't imagine anyone taking off points for that, unless you were told specifically to include that step (in which case I don't think you'd have much of an argument).

He explained that it was "algebra" and didn't need to be explained since we were suppose to know that factoring was the correct way to do it.
 
Wishingwell said:
He explained that it was "algebra" and didn't need to be explained since we were suppose to know that factoring was the correct way to do it.

Factoring was a correct way to do it (though that doesn't imply to me that it needs to be shown, especially in a calculus course). Alternatively, you could have just as easily have done:

[tex] \frac{-32xh - 16h^2 + 20h}{h} = \frac{-32xh}{h} - \frac{16h^2}{h} + \frac{20h}{h} = -32x - 16h + 20[/tex]

Which would pretty much just be splitting up and cancelling (and possibly more similar in idea to what you did).

Does he require you to show steps like this, which should also be required if you were to show all algebraic steps?

[tex] 5x + 16y - 2x = 5x -2x + 16y = 3x + 16y[/tex]

I can tell you that to me it seems like a surprising level of detail to require of a calculus student and certainly not something I'd take points off for, however it could be construed as a missing step. So honestly I'm not sure what to tell you about how to handle your prof. Good luck getting it straightened out!
 

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