Water Evaporation From Sand (pot in pot refrigerator)

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the calculations related to the energy loss during the operation of a pot in pot refrigerator, also known as a zeer. Participants explore the theoretical and practical aspects of evaporation and cooling, seeking mathematical insights and physical explanations for the phenomenon.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in calculating the percentage of energy lost over time and seeks assistance with the mathematical aspects of the pot in pot refrigerator.
  • Another participant clarifies that while it's possible to calculate the heat needed for evaporation, the rate of evaporation is influenced by various factors such as pot material, ventilation, ambient temperature, and humidity, making the calculations complex.
  • A participant suggests looking into the wet bulb temperature for insights into the cooling process and its relation to evaporation.
  • Another participant mentions the lack of quantitative approaches available online, suggesting that similar concepts can be found in the context of swamp coolers, which operate effectively in low humidity conditions.
  • One participant highlights the need to consider various imponderables like air speed, surface area, and humidity in their analysis, referencing cooling towers as a related engineering concept.
  • A later reply points to Langmuir's Evaporation Equation as a potential resource for understanding evaporation rates.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of investigating the wet bulb temperature and its governing principles, suggesting modifications to the wet bulb model to account for differences in pot temperature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the complexity of the calculations involved and the need for a deeper understanding of the principles of evaporation and cooling. However, there is no consensus on a specific method or formula to use for the calculations, and multiple perspectives on the topic remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the limitations in available resources and the challenges posed by various environmental factors that influence evaporation rates. The discussion reflects a reliance on qualitative insights rather than definitive quantitative solutions.

KeKe29
Messages
5
Reaction score
0
Hello,
i am working about pot in pot refrigerator (zeer) and i have problem with calculation, i have to calculate how many % energy will be lost during T time, i know theory about this effect but i don't know how to calculate it, i have some reference but my english and math skills aren't enough good to handle it, if u can help and explain me how to calculate this.
thanks and sorry for my bad english (i hope you understood what i said)
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I don't see what you mean by "... i have to calculate how many % energy will be lost during T time ...".
It is possible to calculate how much heat is needed to evaporate a certain quantity of water.
This is called the heat of evaporation (which depends on the temperature).

The rate of evaporation (quantity of water per unit time) depends on the properties of the outer pot material as well as on the ventilation of the pot, the ambient temperature and moisture.
Therefore, calculation this as a function of some time elapsed in not easy.

You may get some useful insight by reading about the wet bulb temperature.
 
thanks for reply, i typed question incorrectly, it's really hard to calculate this as function, i need to make report about pot in pot refrigerator in 2 days, i have only basic theory how this works and need some calculation about this kind of refrigerator and if u can help me to get some mathematical calculation about it, thanks
 
No idea about a quantitative approach; it's too much of a 'green' thing for Science, perhaps. There are a lot of Google hits on the zeer. None, of course, seem to have any numbers in them. You may find something if you're prepared to do a lot of digging. Also, you could Google 'Swamp coolers', which are air coolers with a bale of wet straw and a fan. These are very effective where the humidity is low and you may find some actual figures there. Of course, your pot in pot cooler will always work better in a draught.
 
thanks for reply, i understand what you said but i am looking for more physical explain of this effect but i couldn't found it in google.
 
Yes. It is a problem. Your analysis would need to include a lot of imponderables such as air speed over the surface, area and humidity. The nearest thing I could find (an engineering approach) was some Google hits about Cooling Towers. Wiki does have some figures for their performance but it's a long way from clay pots, I admit.

I eventually did find this article about evaporation rate, using Langmuir's Evaporation Equation, after googling "evaporation rate". Perhaps that would help for a start.
 
I still advise you to investigate the wet bulb temperature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-bulb_temperature
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/dry-wet-bulb-dew-point-air-d_682.html
http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/classes/met130/notes/chapter4/wet_bulb.html
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/epz/?n=wxcalc_rh
...
https://www.google.com/?hl=en#hl=en&q=wet+bulb+temperatureThe physics of the wet bulb temperature covers almost everything you need to know.
In particular, the wet bulb temperature is governed by heat and mass exchange with atmosphere.
The porosity of the outer clay pot may slow down the process.
However, qualitatively, it will remain similar.
You might even consider modifying the wet bulb model to investigate how much the "pot temperature" may differ from the wet bulb temperature.
The heat flow is included in the wet bulb model.

Take the time to understand the physics in depth.
The calculations will take only a fraction of your time.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
3K
  • · Replies 30 ·
2
Replies
30
Views
4K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
15
Views
3K
Replies
1
Views
6K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
4K
  • · Replies 17 ·
Replies
17
Views
2K
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 32 ·
2
Replies
32
Views
4K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
4K