Water Flowing through U-tubes (Velocity Given Cross-Sectional Areas)

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving fluid dynamics, specifically the flow of water through U-tubes with differing cross-sectional areas. The original poster references a specific problem from a physics resource and notes a discrepancy between their initial reasoning and the expected answer.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the application of the equation of continuity (Av = A'v') and discuss the conservation of momentum as it relates to the problem. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of forces and momentum changes in the context of equilibrium.

Discussion Status

Several participants engage in clarifying the relationship between fluid velocity and cross-sectional area, with some providing insights into the conservation of momentum. There is an ongoing exploration of the underlying principles without a definitive consensus on the approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the U-tube assembly is in equilibrium, which implies that the forces exerted by the fluids must balance. This condition leads to discussions about the rate of change of momentum and its implications for the fluid flow analysis.

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Homework Statement


http://www.aapt.org/physicsteam/2010/upload/2010_FmaSolutions.pdf
See question 23

A' = 1/2A

Homework Equations


Av = A'v'

The Attempt at a Solution


I thought this was just a simple Av = A'v' problem
which would lead to v' = 2v. But there is apparently more to it, as the answer is √2v.
It could have to do with the momentum because F_net = 0 so it is conserved.
In that case,
mv = mv but I'm confused about how to use that to solve the problem.
 
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Any thoughts?
 
Use conservation of momentum. In terms of the fluid density, the area, and the velocity v, what is the rate of change of momentum of the fluid passing through the U tube on the left? Same question for the U tube on the right.
 
momentum = mv
dp/dt = m/t(v)
dp/dt = (ρAv)v
dp/dt = ρAv^2 - This is the left

Right:
dp/dt = pA'v'^2
A' = .5A
dp/dt = ρAv'^2/2

The two rate changes are equal ( net forces are zero).
v^2 = v'^2/2
2v^2 = v'^2
v' = √2v

This is the right answer. Thanks.

Just a question; from where did you get the motivation to use rate change of momentum?
 
SignaturePF said:
momentum = mv
dp/dt = m/t(v)
dp/dt = (ρAv)v
dp/dt = ρAv^2 - This is the left

Right:
dp/dt = pA'v'^2
A' = .5A
dp/dt = ρAv'^2/2

The two rate changes are equal ( net forces are zero).
v^2 = v'^2/2
2v^2 = v'^2
v' = √2v

This is the right answer. Thanks.

Just a question; from where did you get the motivation to use rate change of momentum?

The problem said that the assembly of u tubes is in equilibrium. That means that the forces exerted by the fluids on the u tubes must be equal. The force exerted by each fluid on each u tube is equal to the force exerted by the u tube on the fluid. The latter is equal to the rate of change of momentum of the fluid.
 
Ok I see where you were going.
Essentially, the conceptual link is:
Equlibrium → ƩF = 0 → FL = FR
F = dp/dt
dp/dt = mv/dt
Given, that v is constant, m is changing
dp/dt = dm/dt*v
dm/dt = ρAv
dp/dt = ρAv^2
And that's it right.

I'm just making sure so I don't end up memorizing scenarios.
 
SignaturePF said:
Ok I see where you were going.
Essentially, the conceptual link is:
Equlibrium → ƩF = 0 → FL = FR
F = dp/dt
dp/dt = mv/dt
Given, that v is constant, m is changing
dp/dt = dm/dt*v
dm/dt = ρAv
dp/dt = ρAv^2
And that's it right.

I'm just making sure so I don't end up memorizing scenarios.

Yes. Well done. I hold in very high regard a student like you who focuses on fundamentals. You can look forward to a bright future.

Chet
 

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