Wave aspect of light( index of refraction)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light, particularly laser light, as it interacts with water and the implications for targeting an object (a fish) submerged in water. Participants explore concepts related to the index of refraction, angles of incidence and refraction, and the effects of light transitioning between different media.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that to accurately target the fish with laser light, one must consider the angles of incidence and refraction as light passes from air into water.
  • Others propose drawing diagrams to visualize the path of light and its interaction with the water surface, emphasizing the importance of marking angles.
  • There is a discussion about how light waves change in wavelength when entering a medium with a different index of refraction, with some noting that the frequency remains constant.
  • Participants express confusion about the depth at which the light will strike the fish and whether to aim perpendicularly or at an angle.
  • Some participants ask for clarification on how to present their calculations and diagrams to aid in understanding the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to apply Snell's law to calculate angles of incidence and refraction, but there is ongoing uncertainty regarding the correct targeting of the light and how to visualize the problem effectively. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specifics of aiming and calculating the depth at which the light will hit the fish.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unclear assumptions about the setup, the need for visual aids that some participants are unable to provide, and the complexity of calculating the exact point of impact of the light on the fish.

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hello
if the fish is swiming below the water, and we need to catch it, we will spear the fish above, below or at the fish? if we will use laser light, thn above, below or at the fish?
 
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hi saba sha! :wink:

tell us what you think, and then we'll comment! :smile:

(start with the laser light)
 
if i know the answer to this question, why i posted it here...:(
laser light mere guess above the fish.
 
saba sha said:
laser light mere guess …

no need to guess, you can work it out! :-p

first, draw a diagram showing the surface of the water (that'll be a horizontal line), the fish (under the water), a nice big eye (above the water), and a second (bent) line that light follows from the fish to the eye (which enables the eye to see the fish in the first place)

mark the angles of incidence and of refraction, and write the formula for them​

then do the same thing all over again, in a second diagram, but this time with a line that the laser light follows from the eye to the fish instead of the original second line

what do you notice? :smile:

(btw, laser light behaves like ordinary light, you can forget that it's from a laser)

(and assume the fish is so slow that you can assume it's stationary)
 
thats right but the formula is to find the angle of incidence with the surface. not about the depth of the surface

2nd question is about. as light waves stretched or squeezed with the speed they enter the surface. do this matter as well?
 
saba sha said:
thats right but the formula is to find the angle of incidence with the surface. not about the depth of the surface

yes, but if the angle is bigger, then the light goes deeper, so the angles do help you to find the depth

draw the two diagrams …

what do you notice?​
2nd question is about. as light waves stretched or squeezed with the speed they enter the surface. do this matter as well?

sorry, i don't understand you :confused:
 
as light move from 1 medium to another medium it stretched or squezed depending on the speed. please clear it.
still i am unable to understand even after fig with which angle and where should i spot the lite?
 
saba sha said:
still i am unable to understand even after fig with which angle and where should i spot the lite?

can you show us your two diagrams?

(or describe them, particularly describing any difference between the two diagrams)
 
When the light enters a medium with a different index of refraction the wavelength changes. (But not the frequency) if it moves into a higher refractive index the wavelength shortens, since the frequency is the same but the wave's velocity is slower. The opposite occurs when going from a higher to a lower refractive index.

Could you be more specific with where you are having trouble in your problem? Have you done everything suggested to you already? If not, what could you not do?
 
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i am facing problem about where my light will spot and at how much depth it will goes? angle of incidence and refraction i calculated. but depth of light i can't calculate
sorry i can't upload pics
 
  • #11
saba sha said:
angle of incidence and refraction i calculated.

good :smile:

show us your calculations (for each of the two diagrams)​
 
  • #12
how i show you?
 
  • #13
saba sha said:
how i show you?

?? :confused: you said …
saba sha said:
angle of incidence and refraction i calculated.

ok, you calculated, so type out what you calculated!
 
  • #14
hmmmmm
as by snells law, angle of incidence and angle of refraction we can calculate.
now the problem i faced is, are we aming perpendicular or at angle? and how we come to know that our our light will hit rightly on target?
how i rite calculations here? new please guide
 
  • #15
saba sha said:
now the problem i faced is, are we aming perpendicular or at angle?

at an angle

draw the fish on the left and the eye on the right, and a (bent) line joining them shwoing the path of the light
 
  • #16
that drawn...light moved and and refracted as entered into water...now above fish or below fish?
 

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