Wave Composition - Different Amplitudes

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The discussion revolves around the superposition of two waves with different amplitudes and the resulting wave behavior at a specific location. Participants explore concepts related to wave composition, beat frequencies, and the effects of amplitude differences on wave interactions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the mathematical representation of the superposition of waves, questioning how to effectively combine waves with different amplitudes. There are attempts to rewrite the wave equations and explore the resulting beat frequencies and amplitudes.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the relationship between frequency and amplitude in wave beats. Some guidance has been offered regarding the frequency of beats, but questions remain about the implications of amplitude differences on these relationships.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of explicit information in their textbooks regarding the behavior of beats with waves of differing amplitudes, leading to further inquiry about the generality of the established relationships.

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Homework Statement



The superposition of two waves, [see attachment - it doesn't let me link the attachment because I'm new ;P] at the location x = 0 in space results in what kind of wave behavior? [As in, how often does it beat and what frequency is the sound?]

Homework Equations



Wave equations are given, general form is: Acos(kx-wt).

k = 2pi/lamda; w = 2pi/T = 2pi*f

The Attempt at a Solution



This is troublesome because I'm not sure how to work with the different amplitudes. I can't think of a way to add them, because of the different amplitudes I can't factor and get a trig identity that is easy to work with.

Essentially I have: A cos(at) + B cos(bt)

But I can rewrite it as: A cos(at) + B cos(at-ct)

= A cos(at) + B ( cos(at)cos(ct) - sin(at)sin(ct) )

= cos(at)(A + B cos(ct)) - B sin(at)sin(ct)

...etc. It just gets uglier.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.. although, I'm going to sleep right now, I'll be up in a few hours.

--Bob
 

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The only modification i can think of that helps a bit is:
A cos(at) + B cos(bt) = (A-B) cos(at) + B cos(at) + Bcos(bt) =
(A-B)cos(at) + 2*B cos((at-bt)/2) cos((at+bt)/2)

from where you can see a few things such as the frequency of the sound is roughly (a+b)/2 assuming a is close to b, frequency of the beats is a-b, because of the symmetry and max and min amplitudes of the beats are A+B and A-B respectively.
 
Argh, sorry, I don't know how you got the max and min amplitudes being separated by an a-b beat from that equation? Can you explain it a bit more? I kind of see it... but... 2Bcos((a-b)t/2)cos((a+b)t/2) + (A-B)cos(at) seems less friendly than the original equation to me... the 2B with double cos terms are a bit confusing to try to visualize.

I did realize by thinking of the phase difference, that the composition of the beat must have a 6 Hz frequency because of the relation of period and frequency... the beat obviously has a maximum at t=0, so I just have to find the next beat crest. The amount the waves become out of phase increases by increments of (1/150 - 1/156), so they come into phase every (1/150 - 1/156) seconds, which is 6 Hz. - so, is this f_beat = f_1 - f_2 always true regardless of amplitude differences? The book I have doesn't say anything about beating with different amplitude waves, so I'm not sure.

--Bob
 
You may look on it as a superposition of a standard 2*B amplitude beat wave and harmonic wave with constant amplitude A-B, if you imagine only the envelopes of these waves it becomes clear that the envelope of the superposed wave is the sum of them.

is this f_beat = f_1 - f_2 always true regardless of amplitude differences?

It is.
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