Wave passing medium containing discontinuities?

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of waves, particularly light waves, as they interact with media containing discontinuities. Participants explore concepts such as scattering, transmission, reflection, and refraction, and their implications in different scenarios, including light passing through various media.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether scattering includes refraction, transmission, and reflection, with one asserting that scattering does not include refracted or reflected waves.
  • There is a discussion about the definition of transmission, with some suggesting it refers to the part of the wave that has passed the interface, while others propose it may also include refraction and scattering.
  • Participants inquire about the possible outcomes when a wave encounters an interface, mentioning reflection, refraction, absorption, and scattering, with the latter depending on boundary conditions.
  • One participant provides a formula for the fraction of power reflected at the boundary between two media, illustrating the concept with an example involving light entering glass from air.
  • There is a clarification that absorption typically occurs within a volume rather than at a boundary, and that refraction is a result of atomic polarization in response to electromagnetic fields rather than absorption and re-emission of waves.
  • Rayleigh scattering is mentioned as a classical example of light scattering, highlighting its role in the polarization of sunlight and the appearance of blue skies.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and relationships between scattering, transmission, and reflection. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise definitions and implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the behavior of waves can depend on boundary conditions and the specific characteristics of the media involved, which may not have been fully defined in the discussion.

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When a wave is passing medium containing discontinuities, I learned from Wiki, scattering means changing the direction from a straight trajectory, so does it include refraction, transmission and reflection?

Does transmission means the part of wave that has passed the interface, and therefore include refraction and scattering, not reflection? Or transmission mean the part of wave still in the straight trajectory?

What would possibly happen when a wave hits the interface of discontinuities? Reflection, refraction, absorption? anything else not mentioned?

In the cases of Reflection, refraction, scattering and transmission, will the atom hit by the light absort the light and/or remit a new light?

Thanks!
 
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I'm kind of interested too.

I imagined two scenarios, a water wave in a finite glass bowl. We all know what happens there, and the other scenario is a wave traveling through air and then hitting a a vacuum border. I'm not quite sure what will happen in the second, but I think it may be similar to the first, or it may just eliminate the wave completely.
 
When light passes from medium 1 with index of refraction n1 to medium 2 with index n2, the fraction of power reflected (= not transmitted) at the boundary is

Fraction of power reflected = (n2-n1)2/(n2+n1)2

For example, light entering glass (n=1.5) from air (n=1) loses fraction 0.04 of power per interface, 0.08 per single pane window. This does not include any interference of reflected waves.

Bob S
 
Thanks! In my original post, I actually wanted to ask the difference of those concepts, especially scattering and transmission with other concepts. So if anyone can help me to clarify these concepts, I would really appreciate it.
 
timlee said:
When a wave is passing medium containing discontinuities, I learned from Wiki, scattering means changing the direction from a straight trajectory, so does it include refraction, transmission and reflection?

No, scattering does not include refracted (transmitted) or reflected waves.

timlee said:
Does transmission means the part of wave that has passed the interface, and therefore include refraction and scattering, not reflection? Or transmission mean the part of wave still in the straight trajectory?

In this scenario, the waves are generally broken up into 3 components. The incident wave, transmitted (or refracted wave) and the reflected wave.

timlee said:
What would possibly happen when a wave hits the interface of discontinuities? Reflection, refraction, absorption? anything else not mentioned?

It depends on the boundary conditions. If you mean EM waves, then you get reflected and transmitted waves (except in very specific cases). Scattering too can originate from boundaries. Absorption however is usually regarded as happening within a volume and not at a boundary.

timlee said:
In the cases of Reflection, refraction, scattering and transmission, will the atom hit by the light absort the light and/or remit a new light?

Thanks!

With regard to transmission and reflection, atoms do not absorb and re-emit EM waves in the sense that the electron is promoted to a new orbital and then relaxes back into the ground state. Refraction etc. is actually a result of atoms polarising in response to the applied EM field, without the wave being absorbed.

The question of whether you get the "same" wave is irrelevant in the sense that you can successfully describe nature using either the single-wave or many-wave viewpoint.

Claude.
 
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Thanks, Claude.
Does transmission include scattering and refraction?
 
A good example of classical light scattering is Rayleigh scattering of sunlight. Individual molecules of air preferentially absorb blue light of a particular incident light polarization, and re-emit it in a classic electric dipole radiation pattern. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayleigh_scattering
This is why blue skylight (from a clear-blue sky) viewed at 90 degrees to the Sun is almost completely polarized.
Bob S
 

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