Wave reflection in Closed End Wind Instrument

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the phase change of sound waves in closed-end wind instruments, particularly addressing the behavior of sound waves upon reflection at the closed end of the instrument. It explores the theoretical understanding of wave reflection in the context of acoustics.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the phase change of sound waves reflecting off the closed end of wind instruments, referencing a source that states there is no phase change.
  • Another participant clarifies that sound waves in fluids are longitudinal, not transverse, and explains the mechanics of pressure reflection at the closed end, suggesting that a positive pressure pulse does not invert to a negative pressure pulse due to the nature of the medium.
  • The same participant notes that while the velocity pulse at the closed end does invert, the behavior at the open end differs, as the pressure pulse dissipates into the outside air.
  • A later reply indicates that the explanation provided has resolved the initial confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial confusion regarding phase change, but the technical explanation provided appears to clarify the misunderstanding for at least one participant. The discussion reflects differing interpretations of wave behavior at boundaries.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the broader implications of phase changes in different contexts or the specific definitions of phase inversion in acoustics.

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Hi, I am a little confused with the phase change that occurs in closed end wind instruments. According to http://newt.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/flutes.v.clarinets.html, the phase does not change when the sound wave reflects off the closed end of the instrument. I thought that the phase changes by 180 degrees after reflecting off a denser medium?

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Remember sound waves in a fluid are longitudunal waves, not transverse waves like vibrations of a string.

For the pressure reflection from a closed end, think of it this way: if there is a positive pressure pulse approaching the end, there is more air in the tube than there would be if there was no pulse. So if the phase inverted to give a negative pressure pulse, where is that "extra" air going to end up? There is nowhere for it to go, and the pressure pulse doesn't invert.

At the open end, the pressure pulse leaves the tube and dissipates in the outside air, leaving a partial vacuum behind it - which looks like a negative pressure pulse, or a phase inversion.

Note, the velocity pulse at the closed end does invert. But the velocity doesn't invert at the open end, because the air "in fromt of" the reflected negative pressure pulse is traveling towards the open end, to "fill up" the region of negative pressure as the pressure pulse moves further into the pipe.
 
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Ahhh, I see. Well that cleared it up! Thanks to the both of you!
 

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